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March 13th, 2006 14:00

Why do dual hyperthreading xeons idle hotter than when hyperthreading is disabled?

I've got a dell 650 with dual 3.06 xeons (sl72g)
 
With hyperthreading enabled, the cpus idle at 55 - 56 deg C.  At full load just over 60 C
 
With hyperthreading disabled in bios, idle temps are under 40 C and full load is the same
 
Why the difference?  has anyone run into this before?
  • kerriritter

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    Posted March 20th, 2006 15:00

    what are you using to monitor your cpu temps on the 650?
  • dcormode

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    Posted March 20th, 2006 20:00

    all speedfan will do for me is report cpu and scsi drive temps.  nothing about the fans is reported
  • kerriritter

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    Posted March 20th, 2006 20:00

    oh, i never got speedfan to work with my motherboard - precision 670. that's why i was curious.
  • dcormode

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    Posted March 20th, 2006 20:00

    speedfan
  • claytonb

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    Posted April 1st, 2006 23:00

    60 C is getting a bit on the high side but still ok, may want to check that the heatsink is secured and sealed correctly, just my 2 cents worth here
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    Posted April 1st, 2006 23:00

    mbm5 (motherboard monitor) and everest can provide some useful info but not cpu temp/fan speeds. i have temp monitors on my cpus. the second cpu always runs hotter than the first in all circumstances.
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    Posted April 1st, 2006 23:00

    I think that is because the DELL OEM motherboards are ripped of the CPU and FAN monitoring, all the DELL's I have had over the years can only report HDD Temps.

     

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    Posted April 2nd, 2006 12:00

    I've checked everything mechanical - fans and heatsinks and thermal paste carefully.

    I installed a pair of 3.2 SL7AE xeons with the same result (turning hyperthreading on increased idle temp)

  • kerriritter

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    Posted April 2nd, 2006 15:00

    my xeons are 3.6mhz, with hyperthreading enabled. the first processor idles at 31c and the other is at 36-37C though it has gone up to low 40's.

    there used to be a demo on intel's site for hyperthreading but it's missing at the moment. it is probably because the processors are handling more data in a somewhat parrallel fashion, 2 data threads per core (hyperthreaded) versus only one. ie. they are working harder so are heating up accordingly. it is logical to think the p4 hyperthreaded processors would exhibit the same behavior though i have not checked any of ours.

    i did check the thermal specs at intel at one time and these processors have a thermal rating of 70 or 71c, i forget which.

    i personally get a bit worked up with any component creeping into the 60's on any of the systems i have here. i have not seen the 650 case, but i'm certain it is not really different from the 670? my 670 had a place for an 80mm fan that snapped into a black housing right on the floor in front as you open the door. my case had relatively poor cooling overall. by simply adding this 80mm fan the ambient temps and components dropped up to 10c and i have been much happier.

    do you have the place for another case fan?
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    Posted April 2nd, 2006 18:00

    based on kerriritter's data, I can deduce that either
     - this is problem inherent to 533 FSB xeons (the 670 uses 800 FSB xeons)
     - there is a flaw in the design of the 650 motherboard
     - there is a flaw in my particular motherboard
     
    I'd be interested to hear from any other user with a 650 and dual cpus.  Does your system run a lot hotter if hyperthreading is enabled?
     
    I've checked the power loading of my system:
     
    This is a dell 650 with 2K812 board and dual 3.2 (2MB cache).
     
     HT disabled at idle         - 188 watts
     HT disabled 100% load - 350 watts
     HT enabled  idle            - 338 watts
     HT enabled 100% load - 360 watts
     
    This of course is not just the cpus, but the mainboard and memory, the 4 hard drives, the video card,  and a bunch of fans.
     
    The thing to notice is that merely turning HT on increases power consumption by 150 watts!  Some of this is going to come from the CPU fans running at full speed, but this can only be about 10 watts.
     
    any thoughts?