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November 29th, 2020 17:00

Dell gx270 windows 10?

Has anyone got windows 10 to work on this ? Seems to fit the minimum requirements( I’m just doing this for fun relax)

whenever I try to boot from USB windows 10 32 bit bootable USB it will try then boot me back to xp before I get to the blue windows logo.

 

ideas?

  • speedstep

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    Posted November 30th, 2020 09:00

    GX270 is too old and too slow.

    Doesn't meet minimum standards for windows 8 or 10

     

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    Posted November 30th, 2020 09:00

    Nobody has done this because its not possible.  End of story.

    The oldest model that DOES WORK is Optiplex GX620 with pentium D 915 cpu and bios A15. Works just fine with 64 bit windows 8.1 or 10.

    E0 Socket 478 Prescott's DO NOT include NX and do not include any new features. E0 Prescott Socket 478 are only bug fixes aka ERRATA.

    D0 Certainly does not include NX.

    Any LGA775 E0 (AKA J) do include NX and new thermal features.

    2006 is the year where this became standard not 2004.

     


    Celeron (Willamette) 1.5 GHz - 2 GHz

    RK80531RC041128 (BX80531P200G128)


    Celeron (Northwood) 1.5 GHz - 2.8 GHz

    RK80532RC072128 (BX80532RC2800B)


    Celeron D (FC-PGA2 package) 2.13 GHz - 3.2 GHz Celeron D 350

    RH80532NC060256

    Pentium 4 1.4 GHz - 3.4 GHz

    RK80546PG0961M (BX80546PG3400E)
    RK80532PG096512 (BX80532PG3400D)


    Pentium 4 Extreme Edition 3.2 GHz - 3.4 GHz

    RK80532PG0962M (BX80532PG3400F)

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    Posted November 29th, 2020 18:00

    cpu socket is 478 indicating it is old pentium 4, which likely doesn’t support Windows 10. Older Pentium 4 (180 nm or 130 nm, Socket 478) => Windows 7 32-bit maximum. Pentium 4 500 and 600 series (90 nm, LGA775 socket) => Windows 10 32-bit. Note: Only models with NX Bit will be supported Pentium 4 6x1 (65nm, LGA775) => Windows 10 64-bit https://www.quora.com/In-Pentium-4-which-window-is-the-best
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    Posted November 29th, 2020 18:00

    It would not support Win 10. Chipset is too old. Intel 865G.
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    Posted November 30th, 2020 09:00

    The current cpu sl6wj is Northwood 130 nm. It would not work with Windows 10. If you suggest a 90nm Pentium 4 for 478 socket, we can take a look at it.
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    Posted November 30th, 2020 09:00

    apparently there are 478 cpus with nx bit. The prescot lineup has nx bit, If someone put a prescot cpu into this pc would you be able to install windows 10? ( I dont care if it runs well this is just for fun) The cpu in this gx270 currently is a sl6wj not sure if it works tho on those

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    Posted April 18th, 2021 23:00

    The oldest Dell to support windows 10 is NOT the GX620 it is the GX280.  I have my GX280 running windows 10 with a Cedar Mill Pentium 4 651.  I know what your saying , "But Dell doesn't state that model as compatible".  Yeah , Yeah I know.  But with the latest bios the P4 651 cedar mill works flawlessly.  So, to reiterate the GX 280 is the oldest Dell Optiplex to run windows 10.  Bios update A07 added additional CPU support.  

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    Posted April 19th, 2021 02:00

    @White Pill Radio 

    "The oldest Dell to support windows 10 is NOT the GX620 it is the GX280.  I have my GX280 running windows 10 with a Cedar Mill Pentium 4 651.
    I know what your saying , "But Dell doesn't state that model as compatible". Yeah , Yeah I know. But with the latest bios the P4 651 cedar mill works flawlessly.
    So, to reiterate the GX 280 is the oldest Dell Optiplex to run windows 10.  Bios update A07 added additional CPU support."

     

    Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 651 HT Technology
    2M Cache, 3.40 GHz, 800 MHz FSB
    LGA 775 BX80552651

    https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/27483/intel-pentium-4-processor-651-supporting-ht-technology-2m-cache-3-40-ghz-800-mhz-fsb.html

     

    That may be true but Not exactly.

    Why Because the 651 is a processor missing new required instructions which means it doesn't support 64 bit LAHF SAHF CMPXCHG16B and it is Hyper threaded.

    You can verify this with coreinfo.

    https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/coreinfo

    Not supported doesnt mean not working but it does mean that the video and audio and chipset drivers may need to be manually installed because 10 wont find them.

    915 video doesnt have a vista driver like the GX620 945 video which is"Windows Vista Capable" system was a system that used a WDDM-compatible Vista driver which is where the vista capable labels came from.

    If your 280 has a vista capable lablel its one of the newer boards with newer chipset and socket.

     

    vista capable.png

     

     

    https://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/optix/gx280_spec.pdf

    Vista and 7 drivers work fine for 10.

    Hyper thread support depends on the chip set.

    So 32 bit Windows 8.1 and 10 will work but 64 bit versions will not. Also the Ram in the GX620 (PC2 5300) when using Penitum D 900 series is a lot faster than the GX280 (PC2 4200).  I will test all of this once I can get hold of the appropriate parts.

    I also don't think they offer a download for 32 bit ISO for windows anymore.  All Future machines are 64 bit only windows 10 only. No more legacy or MBR or Dos Etc.

    The other Gotcha is that the 280 actually transitioned into the GX620 and the boards died quickly due to bad capacitors.

    The older Models with SKYDIVE Cases do not support HT cpus afaikt.  This is based on motherboard version.

    https://downloads.dell.com/manuals/all-products/esuprt_desktop/esuprt_optiplex_desktop/optiplex-gx280_user%27s%20guide_en-us.pdf

    In order to upgrade to Windows 10 (64-bit), the LAHF SAHF CMPXCHG16B instruction must be present. If you receive this error your CPU doesn’t have the 64 bit CMPXCHG16B instruction.

    I would recommend bios A08 which is the latest afaikt.

    https://dl.dell.com/bios/GX280A08.EXE

     

    MR SMITH and NEOMR SMITH and NEOSKYDIVESKYDIVE

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Posted April 19th, 2021 03:00

    The info on intels spec sheet is wrong.  All 65nm Cedar Mill's have the following: MMX , SSE , SSE2 , SSE3, PAE , Hyperthreading , Intel 64 , XD bit (NX) , CMPXCHG16b, LAHF/SAHF, and PrefetchW

    I have windows 10 64 bit operating on my GX280. There are plenty of people on the Dell forum who have 64 bit windows 10 running on their Dells with the 915 chipset including the Optiplex 280 and the Dimension 4700 with the latest bios.  Plenty of examples on YouTube showing the same.  Plenty of examples on tech sites confirming the same.  

     

    Just go look it up.  

     

  • speedstep

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    Posted April 19th, 2021 07:00

    One other Gotcha is the bios version and cpu stepping.

    SL8WG    B1
    SL94W    B1
    SL96J     C1
    SL9KE    D0

    I do not believe you can Jump from A00 to A08 in one step.   Changing Bios should be done BEFORE changing CPU.

    There is no compatible INTEL 915 video driver but a PCI-E video card with legacy driver fixes that part.

    https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Radeon-HD6350-Video-Graphics/dp/B00IDF5H98/

     

    Not having 4 gigs of ram installed is not recommended because it will be horribly slow.

    The Audio Driver is

    Analog Devices ADI 198x Integrated Audio, v.5.12.2.7010, A02
    This package provides the Analog Devices ADI 198x Integrated Audio Driver and is supported on Optiplex GX280/GX520/GX620/SX280 and Precision 370/470/670

    64 bit
    http://downloads.dell.com/audio/R145149.EXE

    32 Bit
    http://downloads.dell.com/audio/R145551.EXE

    BIOS

    http://downloads.dell.com/bios/GX280A08.EXE


    http://downloads.dell.com/bios/GX280A06.EXE


    http://downloads.dell.com/bios/GX280A05.EXE


    http://downloads.dell.com/bios/GX280A04.EXE


    http://downloads.dell.com/bios/GX280A03.EXE


    http://downloads.dell.com/bios/GX280A00.EXE

     

    Diags CD


    http://downloads.dell.com/diags/cdd_1265.ISO


    http://downloads.dell.com/Manuals/all-products/esuprt_desktop/esuprt_optiplex_desktop/optiplex-gx280_user%27s%20guide_en-us.pdf