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March 28th, 2014 14:00

XP Procrastinator: Will my wireless still work with Windows 8?

Boy, do I feel silly waiting for the 11th hour to ask this question.  But maybe there's some kind guru out there who could lend me a hand.

Bought my Inspiron E1705 in '06 .. runs 1.6 GHz, original 2G RAM, Windows XP SP3, love it to death.  FINALLY need to upgrade ... but which one? 

Ran Upgrade Assistant for both Windows 7 and Windows 8 and thought I was okay ... especially since others on this forum mentioned successful install of Win 8.1 on their E1705. Terrific.  Have Windows 8 disc in hand, ready to install.

But ... took one final look at the incompatibility list on Windows 8 - and YIKES!

     INCOMPATIBLE - Intel(R) ProSET/Wireless v. 6.1.1.4

     INCOMPATIBLE - Broadcom Management Programs 8.65.05

     COMPATIBLE - Intel Pro/Wireless 3945ABG Net Connector

     COMPATIBLE - Broadcom 440x 10/100 Integration Controller

It gets worse.  Searched online - and Intel's website claims that Intel Pro/Wireless 3945ABG Net Connector is NOT compatible with Windows 8, even though their Assistant wizard claims it is.

BOTTOM LINE:  Will I wipe out my beloved workhorse ([re-installed) XP on my E1705 only to find out that my wireless adapter will no longer function? 

(Interactive tech support no longer supported - only online - and I've yet to find a smart enough person at those companies who can answer me. Perhaps there's one here? I'd be grateful. Thanks a mil.)

  • Philip_Yip

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    Posted March 29th, 2014 04:00

    As mentioned Intel won't support it but Microsoft natively support it in Windows 8.0 and Windows 8.1 so its not an issue. The wireless card will work directly with this Operating System.

    As mentioned I have done this with both a Latitude D820 on Windows 8.0 32 Bit/64 Bit and Windows 8.1 32 Bit/64 Bit with an Intel 3945ABG wireless card. I have also done it with an Inspiron 6400 on Windows 8.0/8.1 32 Bit/64 Bit with a 3945 card and an Inspiron 6400 on a Windows 8.0 32 Bit with an Intel 4965 card. I tend to install and test Windows installation a lot.

    I am actually writing this message on an Inspiron 6400 with Windows 8.1 64 Bit and the Intel 3945 card.

    You have 2 choices, clean install Windows 8.0 and upgrade to Windows 8.1 as here and here:

    Otherwise follow the workarounds to download a Windows 8.1 .iso and clean install with Windows 8.1:

    I prefer the second method as it will lead to a cleaner system and does not involve installation of a Service Pack via a buggy Microsoft Store.

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    Posted March 28th, 2014 14:00

    It just means that your wireless connection management will either need an update to a later Intel version, or you manage your wireless via the Windows native options.

    For the Broadcom network card (if you even use it), you don't really need the Broadcom software (only on servers does it really serve a purpose).

    So you may need to uninstall the ProSET software and the Broadcom Management software before you install or upgrade to Windows 8(.1).

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    Posted March 28th, 2014 15:00

    The system is compatible with Windows 7 and 8 32 Bit. 64 Bit compatibility depends on the processor installed. Windows 8.1 has native drivers for the Broadcom Ethernet and Intel 3945ABG card. I am using the Inspiron E1505/6400 with Windows 8.1 64 Bit now. Intel won't support the wireless card any longer but Microsoft will. Whats incompatible is the XP applications for either adapter but these are unnecessary as Windows 8.1 will manage both network adapters. For best results I recommend replacing your hard drive with a Crucial M500 or a Samsung Evo 840 and then install Windows 8.1. This will significantly increase the system performance. See my Windows Reinstallation Guide/A Clean Install of Windows: http://dellwindowsreinstallationguide.com/a-clean-install-of-windows/ Most things will work out of the box however you may need to install the Intel Chipset Device Software (direct from Intel) and the Ricoh card reader driver here: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&ProdId=816&DwnldID=20775&ProductFamily=Software+Products&ProductLine=Chipset+Software&ProductProduct=Intel%C2%AE+Chipset+Software+Installation+Utility&lang=eng http://ftp.dell.com/chipset/Ricoh_R5C833_A00_R240788.exe Also if you have a Dell Wireless 355 Bluetooth card then the Broadcom Bluetooth Update. The Dell Wireless 360 Bluetooth card is incompatible and I advise removing it and replacing it with a 355. http://www.broadcom.com/support/bluetooth/update.php For video Windows Update should download the latest Windows 7 driver (it will work with Windows 8.1) however this system has an ATI and NVIDIA variant. Drivers for these will likely also be automatically updated. You might also want to install Dell Quickset (its not fully functional but mainly works): 32 Bit: http://downloads-us.dell.com/FOLDER90339M/2/R166699.exe 64 Bit: http://ftp.dell.com/app/R163853.exe
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    Posted March 28th, 2014 15:00

    About 64 bit support. The 1705 originally came with a "Core" processor. This line of processors did not support 64-bit. However, later Dell offered the exact same model with Core2 processors (may have had a newer motherboard (not sure), but still the same model number). These do support 64-bit. With 2GB RAM (and 4GB minus overhead maximum on the 1705), I don't think you'll miss out on anything by installing a 32-bit version of Windows.

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    Posted March 28th, 2014 15:00

    Dumb Question Source,

    Some adapters will work in the compatibility mode using the older drivers.

    I got this off Intel's website...

    Intel® Centrino® Wi-Fi Products — Which operating systems are supported with Intel wireless products?

    Rick

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    Posted March 28th, 2014 17:00

    About 64 bit support. The 1705 originally came with a "Core" processor. This line of processors did not support 64-bit. However, later Dell offered the exact same model with Core2 processors (may have had a newer motherboard (not sure), but still the same model number). These do support 64-bit. With 2GB RAM (and 4GB minus overhead maximum on the 1705), I don't think you'll miss out on anything by installing a 32-bit version of Windows.

    The processor can be changed to a T7200, T7400 or T7600 without motherboard replacement for 64 Bit Windows 7/8.1 if the processor installed is incompatible. I have done this on a few Inspiron 6400/9400 and D620/D820 systems.

    The system will work fine on 32 Bit regardless. Installation of a 64 Bit OS on this model serves no great advantage as the RAM maxes out at 3.24 GB due to chipset limitations.

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    Posted March 28th, 2014 19:00

    Thank you all for kindly responding so far. Please forgive me in advance for my atrocious ignorance, but I must clarify before I wipe out XP with this new installation. 

    To clarify:

      -- My Inspiron 9400 (E1705) runs with Core-2 Duo T2300 processors @ 1.66 GHz, running XP SP3.

      -- My wireless adapter is an Intel Pro/Wireless 3945ABG Net Connection.

      -- I am holding a Windows 8 Pro 32-bit installation disk.  I do NOT have Windows 8.1.

      -- I read on Intel's website that 3945ABG is NOT supported by Windows 8.

              http://www.intel.com/support/wireless/wlan/sb/CS-033840.htm

      -- I don't have the means to replace my hardware or motherboard, etc. (if I did, I'd get a newer laptop!)

    I've read several guides on replacing XP with Windows 7 or 8.

    My worst case scenario:  During install of Windows 8, they'd ask me to deactivate the incompatible Intel ProSET/Wireless (I assume that's related to the 3945ABG) which would cause me to lose my wireless capability.  Result: XP is replaced before the April 8, 2014 deadline (good) but no more Net access via my wireless connection (bad) to download any driver updates, and no way to revert back to XP because that's been wiped out.

    One response gave me hope - that Windows 8.1 had native drivers that would let my 3945ABG Network Connector work.  Does Windows 8 have this, too? I've been searching online, but could not get confirmation of this.

    Again, my apologies for my ignorance. You've all put me on the right track, and that's wonderful of you. Please help me get all the way there. Please correct my understanding (above), if you would. My thanks.

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    Posted March 30th, 2014 18:00

    Hi Philip (nakakuc4),

    Sorry for delay in response; been putting out fires elsewhere last 24 hours.

    I'm grateful to all the Dell Community experts who took time to respond with their hard-won knowledge ... but I especially wanted to THANK YOU for clarifying.  For all the excellent advice, logic, and deductions out there, NOTHING equals assurance to an overwhelmed user than someone who spells out: 

    (1) I've got the exact same 3945ABG wireless card as you,

    (2) I've installed the same OS s/w that you're debating about, and

    (3) it works, because see, I'm using it now.

    You've given me the courage to take the plunge with 8.0 soonest. I'm not done putting out fires, but will get to this well before the April 8 deadline and will post to let you all know what transpires. Again, I'm thankful to this Board, and especially grateful to you, Philip, for your expertise and patience as I sought clarification.