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March 17th, 2004 07:00

System Restore problems

After making some changes in my Startup file via start/run/msconfig (my bad, I guess), a number of problems developed:

  • Several programs (most importantly Norton Anti-Virus and Spybot Search and Destroy) would not open. Clicking on their icon resulted in a brief appearnce of the 'processing' icon, but the application did not open
  • attempts to revisit the startup file by accessing Start/run/msconfig resulted in the same response, ie it would not open;
  • running 'System Restore' resulted in, after 25 minutes of processing, the message: 'Restoration Incomplete. Your computer cannot be restored to Thursday, March 11 system checkpoint';
  • 'System Restore' 'wizard' would not allow me to access earlier restore restore points (ie in February 04), so I am stuck with March 11 restore point, which doesn't work.

Help! How can I make System Restore work? Or is there some virus or other contaminant that is taking me down?

What to do?

Thanks for your help

  • gryjhnhpe

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    Posted March 17th, 2004 20:00

    You could try using Safe Mode , Run >  msconfig.
    You can select Safe Mode by tapping  F8 many times during startup until Advanced Menu is displayed ,
    then use Arrow keys to select Safe Mode  & press "Enter" key.
  • maxd

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    Posted March 17th, 2004 22:00

    I'm very surprised if that is true. Can you confirm this via MS ?
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    Posted March 17th, 2004 22:00

    System restore points are sequential and incremental (i.e. each only records changes since the previous one). So if one is corrupted, earlier ones won't work either.

    Since those are no longer useful, after you've solved your other problems, I would suggest that you disable system restore (which removes all the restore points), reboot, then reenable system restore.

  • JRosenfeld

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    Posted March 17th, 2004 22:00

    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/plan/faqsrwxp.mspx

    Look at question

    Can I make System Restore permanently retain a restore point?

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    Posted March 18th, 2004 00:00

    Your 'proof' does in deed surprise me. My understanding, and apparently wasn't very well thought through, was that SR would somehow 'role' pass (ie ignore)a (given) file whether it was good or bad until it got to the file at the roll-back date. I see now that each file needs to be intact for the chain to properly proceed and thus the need for WFP to help keep it intact. When WFP slips up SFC is there to pick up the slack. I think that SFC should be built into the boot process as a default. It would save OEMs a lot in tech support.

    Thanks for making me a little more knowledgable. Q. Can the System Volume Information folder be 'saved' (and restored if necessary) to a cd, Recycle Bin or another (dummy) User Account ?
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    Posted March 18th, 2004 03:00

    SFC at boot?  It's a nice thought but are you willing to sit through a 20 minute boot up?  Maybe we're thinking of two different things but when I type sfc: /scannow, it takes 15-20 minutes to finish up on my 8300...
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    Posted March 18th, 2004 15:00

    It appears that I misspoke. You're right about the time factor. The way sfc currently works it wouldn't be appropriate. I'm expecting something better out of MS in their new OS.
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    Posted March 18th, 2004 21:00

    maxd,

    In reply to your question whether system restore points can be 'saved' in recycle bin or whatever, I don't know (not the kind of thing I'd try) but I doubt it. The SR would start from the current system configuration and since the information stored in each restore point is sequential and incremental, I expect that it would get very confused if you put back additional restore points into system volume information. The FAQ says very clearly that you can't save a restore point permanently. If you are willing to risk wrecking your current series of restore points, I suppose experimenting would be the only way to find out...

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    Posted March 18th, 2004 22:00

    I think that you'd need to copy them to some folder then delete from there to move them to the recycle bin, since disabling SR removes them immediately from System Volume Information, as far as I know bypassing recycle bin. If you delete them to the recycle bin directly from System Volume information, I'm not sure what SR would make of that when you disable it.
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    Posted March 18th, 2004 22:00

    You're probably right that it can't be done. I was thinking it might be possible to disable SR, delete the Restore Point(s), reboot and see if the Recycle Bin could Restore them to the SVI folder. I'm not overly concerned about losing my points.