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October 30th, 2011 09:00

Dimension 3000 "OS install mode grief"

Good Morning,

Dell Dimension 3000

I just loaded XP Pro SP3 in a new WD 160gb HD for my wife. I turned "OS install mode" to on in BIOS [because that's what I was doing] and all it did was roadblock me and hinder the installation. Constantly warning me that OS install mode was on [with exclamation marks] saying memory has changed to 256mb [it has 2gb] and kept stopping the install part way through, then restarting all over again. I ended up turning OS install mode back to off and it zipped right along like it should.

I just now recalled this same thing happening on this PC three years ago but I never looked for a reason.  Is there an explanation for a function so simply and logically named to do the exact opposite?

Many thanks to you all,

Mike

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October 30th, 2011 17:00

The Dimension 3000 is basically a near entry level home PC. It was introduced to the market in mid-ish 2004. The largest thing Windows had in 2004 was XP. XP Pro didn't show up until around 2005. Vista was not even heard of by the public in 2004 . So what else were people going to install then,  2000 or ME?  So I guess I still don't know a purpose for this setting/option on this inexpensive Home PC.

There were still many holdouts of Windows 98 back then, just like there are many holdouts of XP today. For that matter, there are still some Win2K holdout shops to this day, despite support and updates having been discontinued.

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October 30th, 2011 09:00

a handful of forums members have a misunderstanding of the purpose and use of the 'os install mode' option in the bios.

you do not need to turn on 'os install mode' on a dell dimension 3000 (or any other dell) in order to install windows xp pro sp3 (or any other version or service pack level).  

when os install mode is enabled the system limits the total available system memory so that operating systems that are unable to recognized large amounts of memory can be installed.  this does not include windows xp.  note that it is called "os install mode" and not called "windows xp install mode."

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October 30th, 2011 13:00

I disagree.   If you have more than 2 gigs of ram and you are installing 32 bit Drivers there can be stop errors related to "too much ram" at the time of install.  When the physical RAM that is installed on a computer equals the address space that is supported by the chipset, the total system memory that is available to the operating system is always less than the physical RAM that is installed. For example, consider a computer that has an Intel 975X chipset that supports 8 GB of address space. If you install 8 GB of RAM, the system memory that is available to the operating system will be reduced by the PCI configuration requirements. In this scenario, PCI configuration requirements reduce the memory that is available to the operating system by an amount that is between approximately 200 MB and approximately 1 GB. The reduction depends on the configuration.

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October 30th, 2011 13:00

I disagree.   If you have more than 2 gigs of ram and you are installing 32 bit Drivers there can be stop errors related to "too much ram" at the time of install....

a dimension 3000 can not accept more tha 2gb of ram so your argument is completely absurd.

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October 30th, 2011 16:00

The Dimension 3000 is basically a near entry level home PC. It was introduced to the market in mid-ish 2004. The largest thing Windows had in 2004 was XP. XP Pro didn't show up until around 2005. Vista was not even heard of by the public in 2004 . So what else were people going to install then,  2000 or ME?  So I guess I still don't know a purpose for this setting/option on this inexpensive Home PC.

Thanks guys,

Mike

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October 30th, 2011 18:00

rdunnill,

Great explanation!   I really appreciate it.

Have a great new week everyone.

T'care,

Mike

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October 30th, 2011 19:00

the real problem is that there are a handful of people in this forum that insist tat it is necessary to adjust the "os install mode" before installing windows xp when in fact it is not necessary and confuse novices.  ironically these are the same people that recommend the use the dell's instructions on how to reinstall the operating system, instructions which do not include directions to change the os install mode switch.  

if you want to know about the 2gb limitation and the various versions of windows operating system there is a nice write up on it here: msdn.microsoft.com/.../gg487508

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October 30th, 2011 20:00

rdunnill,

Great explanation!   I really appreciate it.

Anytime, Mike!

 

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October 30th, 2011 22:00

and great that you posted your experiance of how turning 'os install mode' on hindered installation of windows xp on a dimension 3000 with 2gb of ram installed.  perhaps the people spreading bad information about the use of this feature will learn from your remarks.

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October 31st, 2011 05:00

muto,

That would be nice. And thanks for the article. Very informative.

T'care,

Mike

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October 31st, 2011 10:00

if you want to know about the 2gb limitation and the various versions of windows operating system there is a nice write up on it here: msdn.microsoft.com/.../gg487508

The 3000's 2gb memory limit is a limitation of the chipset ... 32-bit Windows operating systems have a 4gb memory limit.

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October 31st, 2011 11:00

there is no need to need to turn on 'os install mode' before installing windows xp or windows 7 on a dimension 2400 with any amount of installed memory.  if one did not waste their time pointlessly turning on the setting prior to installing windows xp or windows 7 then they would not have to turn it off after.  unfortunately there are some people here promoting the need to change this setting becuase of a misunderstanding of its purpose.

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October 31st, 2011 11:00

Dimension 3000

Memory:DDR PC2700, DDR PC3200

Memory Type: DDR PC2700, DDR PC3200, DDR (non-ECC)

Maximum Memory: 2GB

Slots: 2

The Dimension 3000 has "install mode" and that is the subject of the Post.

If you receive a "Memory available limited to 256MB!" message after installing more than 256MB, enter BIOS and turn OS Install mode to OFF.

Exit saving changes.

Although the memory can be installed one module at a time, the best performance comes from using matched pairs of modules.


WIN98 and WIN98SE will crash on boot when more than 512 Megs of Ram is installed.

Some Early XP WDM Drivers were developed and compiled on WIN98 Machines and drivers were tailored to work both with XP and WIN98.

This can cause blue screens during the install phase of XP and this is another reason why it is recommended.

Using Install mode 256 Megs Ram to install XP in no way harms or causes problems with XP. :emotion-16:

Drivers with Ram Issues over 1 Gig of ram can have a Blue Screen that Says

Memory management

0x0000001a (0x00041284 0x0536E001 0x000036BC 0xc0503000)

Which can be reversed by

(reboot the cpu and choose the 'last good known configuration' option when starting up with f8)

"Stop Error" may be displayed after the hex number, IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL.

*** STOP: 0x0000001A: (0xAAAAAAAA, 0xBBBBBBBB, 0xCCCCCCCC, 0xDDDDDDDD)
PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA

Windows STOP Errors - Stop 0xA, 0x1E, 0x7B

"Out of Memory" Error Messages with Large Amounts of RAM Installed

If a computer that is running any of the versions of Windows that are listed above contains more than 512 megabytes (for example, 768 megabytes) of physical memory (RAM), you may experience one or more of the following symptoms:

  • You may be unable to open an MS-DOS session (or command prompt) while Windows is running. Attempts to do so may generate the following error message:
    There is not enough memory available to run this program.
    Quit one or more programs, and then try again.
  • The computer may stop responding (hang) while Windows is starting, or halt and display the following error message:
    Insufficient memory to initialize windows. Quit one or more memory-resident programs or remove unnecessary utilities from your Config.sys and Autoexec.bat files, and restart your computer.

CAUSE

The Windows 32-bit protected-mode cache driver (Vcache) determines the maximum...
The Windows 32-bit protected-mode cache driver (Vcache) determines the maximum cache size based on the amount of RAM that is present when Windows starts. Vcache then reserves enough memory addresses to permit it to access a cache of the maximum size so that it can increase the cache to that size if needed. These addresses are allocated in a range of virtual addresses from 0xC0000000 through 0xFFFFFFFF (3 to 4 gigabytes) known as the system arena.

On computers with large amounts of RAM, the maximum cache size can be large enough that Vcache consumes all of the addresses in the system arena, leaving no virtual memory addresses available for other functions such as opening an MS-DOS prompt (creating a new virtual machine).

WORKAROUND

To work around this problem, use one of the following methods: Use the MaxFileC...

To work around this problem, use one of the following methods:

  • Use the MaxFileCache setting in the System.ini file to reduce the maximum amount of memory that Vcache uses to 512 megabytes (524,288 KB) or less. For additional information about how to use the MaxFileCache setting, click the article number below to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
    108079  (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/108079/EN-US/ ) 32-Bit File Access Maximum Cache Size
  • Use the System Configuration utility to limit the amount of memory that Windows uses to 512 megabytes (MB) or less.For additional information about how to use the System Configuration utility, click the article number below to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
    181966  (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/181966/EN-US/ ) System Configuration Utility Advanced Troubleshooting Settings
  • Reduce the amount of memory that is installed in your computer to 512 MB or less.


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October 31st, 2011 11:00

[quote user="muto"]

if you want to know about the 2gb limitation and the various versions of windows operating system there is a nice write up on it here: msdn.microsoft.com/.../gg487508

The 3000's 2gb memory limit is a limitation of the chipset ... 32-bit Windows operating systems have a 4gb memory limit.

[/quote]

right, there cannot be more than 2gb of memory installed in a dimension 2400, and that is why the discussion of the 'os install mode' switch for installing windows xp on a dimension 2400 is so entirely pointless. 

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October 31st, 2011 12:00

WIN98 and WIN98SE will crash on boot when more than 512 Megs of Ram is installed.

I doubt too many are using Win9X today.

Actually the Impetus to get people off of WIN98SE was youtube no longer supported Internet Explorer 6.

Then Antivirus Companies following that lead dropping support for WIN98SE.

WIN98SE exists only on my Virtual PC 2007 machines now.

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