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October 18th, 2013 09:00

Turn your XPS 8700 into a solid mid-range gaming rig.

Okay, so I am more accustomed picking out all the parts and putting my rig together from scratch.  That was the plan this time as well.  But, I saw a really good sale on the XPS 8700 and found an additional coupon for $50 off.  I am also a Dell Advantage member, so I received free two day shipping.  I ordered my PC on a Monday and had it on my doorstep Thursday.  That is pretty dang fast.

I purchased the XPS 8700 with the Core i7 4770 processor (not planning to overclock, so that is fine), 8 gb RAM, 1tb hdd and the GTX 645 or 635...don't really remember the video card, as it was junk and I was planning to upgrade anyway.  Oh, it also came with Windows 8.  Total cost was somewhere around $680, out the door.

At the same time, I went ahead and ordered a new Corsair 600w PSU and a MSI GTX 760 video card (2gb / OC version).  The card is the Twin Frozr Gaming edition.  It only requires up to 500w PSU, but I wanted just a bit more...just in case.  I really wouldn't go any more than 600w, unless you are getting a more powerful video card than the GTX 760.  Beware, the MSI GTX 760 was a tight fit, but it went in with no modifications.  Check your video card dimensions, because the XPS 8700 case is a tight fit.

Okay, so Thursday night gets here and my new XPS 8700 is here...and so are my new PSU and Video Card.  First thing I did was power on the pc before making any upgrades...wanted to be sure it worked beforehand.  All good....no issues.  Turned the pc off and began the process of upgrading things.

First, I disconnected all power cables and then removed the PSU.  This was relatively simple.  It was a bit different than removing a PSU from a custom rig, but it was fine.  Just take your time with everything.  Some mistakes cannot be easily fixed.  Anyway, PSU was removed with no issue.

Second, I installed the new Corsair PSU.  No problem getting it in and mounted.  Again, a bit of a tight fit, but if you take your time, it goes in fine.

Next, I installed the new MSI GTX 760 video card.  Like I said before, it is a tight fit.  You have to go into the case at a bit of an angle, but it will go in without any problems.  One more note, you will need to route the SATA cables under the card, as the cables are just long enough to reach the DVD drive and hdd.

Last, I connected all the power cables from the PSU to each applicable connection (CPU, Motherboard, DVD, HDD and Video Card).  ** Make sure you get a PSU that has the necessary connections for the newer video cards.  Mine required a 6 pin and an 8 pin.  I would say to just do your homework before you have everything sitting in front of you.  When you ready to assemble and anxious to get it up and running, that is a bad time to realize you're missing something.

So, at this point, I had everything in place.  All cables routed nice and neat.  I closed the case and connected my monitor, keyboard and mouse.  I press the power button......beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.  Instead of seeing it boot, I got a series of beeps.  UGH!!  Not what I was expecting.  Luckily, I have no shortage of spare pc's in the house, so I went to Google and started searching.  After an hour of research, I was pretty sure I had the answer.

These newer pc's have a UEFI motherboard.  In other words, they use a UEFI rather than the older, more familiar bios I am used to.  And even newer is a feature called Secure Boot.  I am not going to go into all the specifics on what Secure Boot is, but what I found was that a lot of people have had issues when they have upgraded their video cards with one of the newer, more advanced cards.  Some of the newer cards do not have their own bios that is compatible with this Secure Boot feature.

So, to get past this issue, first I had to pull the video card out and put the stock card back in.  I was able to boot the system once I did this.  I hit F2 to enter the bios (yes, I will continue to call it bios).  Go to the Boot menu.  Disable Secure Boot.  Save and exit.  Power down the pc and repeat the process of putting the new video card in.

Once I disabled Secure Boot in the bios, I was able to put in the new video card and boot with no problem.  All is good.

Now to the next challenge.  No offense to Dell, but I do not like all the that comes on a pc when you get it preconfigured from a reseller.  And, I just so happened to have an MSDN version of Windows 8.1, which was not even out for resale yet.  I set the pc to boot from DVD (again in the bios), put the DVD in and restarted the pc.  The Windows 8.1 setup started up, from the DVD.  Setup was fast and simple....not going into details here. Windows 8.1 setup was complete and I was ready.

Everything was going fine until I noticed that, when I switch to Desktop view in 8.1, there is a watermark in the bottom right-hand corner that reads something like "Secure Boot isn't configured properly....."  Nothing catastrophic, but not something I want to see all the time.

Okay, did some more research....this time on the MSI website, in their forums.  Turns out, there are well-respected developers on their forum that are taking ongoing requests for Video BIOS  (vbios) updates for UEFI.  I do not know all the technical details, but basically this means they will give you an updated vbios that enables your video card for UEFI and Secure Boot.  You just provide your current vbios, serial number and model.  I did this and had a new vbios 2 days later.  To do this, you need a utility called nvflash.  NOTE - this can be a dangerous process if you don't know what you are doing.  You can brick your video card.  However, there are plenty of resources online that give instruction.  It was very simple to do.  So, I flashed the video card with the new rom and voila, I had a UEFI compliant video card.  Rebooted the pc, went into the bios, re-enabled Secure Boot and started up Windows 8.1.  No more messages.

One more thing...I had 16 gigabytes of DDR3 1600 memory in another pc.  I swapped it for the 8 gigabytes that came with the XPS 8700.  So here are my final specs, or at least the important specs....Core i7 4770 / 16gb DDR3 / GTX 760.

First thing I did was to install Origin and download the Battlefield 4 Beta.  Outside their normal Beta bugs and whatnot, the game ran great on High settings.  No lag whatsoever.  Unfortunately, the Beta ended two days after I got all this up and running.  So I went ahead and downloaded Battlefield 3 and Call of Duty Black Ops II, which I already owned.  Both are running great on High settings.

Total cost was about $900 and change.  Not too bad for a decent gaming rig.  I could have gone the route of picking all the parts and building from scratch, but the cost was going to be several hundred dollars more.  Oh yeah, as a Dell Advantage member, I will also get 5% reward for this purchase, so figure another $30 or so in Dell eGift Card.  Might put that toward a new game or something.

Hope this helps anyone that may be considering doing this.  If you can get the XPS 8700 on a good sale, with the Core i7, I would not hesitate to do it again.  Thanks!

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April 22nd, 2014 20:00

I also picked up an XPS 8700. I changed PS to Corsair CS750M(fits perfect), added 8 more GB Ram(total 16GB), and then added NVidia GTX 770(also fits easily). So far so good!!!

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April 23rd, 2014 16:00

I recently purchased the XPS 8700 thinking that the ram would run at the speed as advertised. Why would dell dumb down the speed?

-- 16 GB DDR3 Memory (4X4GB) 1600MHz

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April 23rd, 2014 19:00

If the RAM in your system is DELL RAM and it isn't running at 1600MHz there's something wrong and my suggestion would be to contact Dell. Mine, with an additional 16GB of aftermarket RAM, runs at 1600MHz. There are earlier discussions on RAM specifications that run at 1600. For what its worth a key spec seems to be CAS latency CL-11. Crucial, I think, guarantees their RAM to meet system requirements. Hope this helps.

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May 30th, 2014 19:00

Hi,

luckily my antec 750 gold + non modular fit without any issues. I ended up putting a sapphire 290x tri force which is 12 inches long. You just have to put the gpu in at a downward angle towards the front of the case. With the 290x, my 6 and 8 pin barely fit before the metal structural piece by the hd bay. Good luck with the install.

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May 30th, 2014 19:00

I just recently (literally 4 hours ago) put in an XFX XTR 750W 80+ Gold Certified Full Modular PSU and I will say right now it was a PAIN. It's about an inch longer than the OEM PSU and didn't fit in the tabs that Dell put in specifically to fit their own product! Why you gotta make it so hard, Dell??

Anyway, it worked out. Soon I'm going to be buying a GTX 770 but the card I want is 11.5 inches in length. Anyone know if this will work well enough? The card that OP used is 10.25 inches, and if that's a tight fit I have no idea what 11.5 will be like.

July 19th, 2014 11:00

Great post well written etc.   Now that it is 9 months later I wonder if the 'BIOS' version on the XPS8700 is better? (compatible with more video cards etc...) Not sure but I think there are more/different options or choices than there were last year.   I was very tempted to order one of the lower end XPS 8700 (to get Win 7) and then upgrade the RAM and HDD's myself......Instead I waited (and waited) now 8.1 Pro is out and available on the top end 8700 Special Edition that comes with 32GB RAM, 3TB HDD and 256SSD...and got it on sale ($300 off)  still pricey but lazy me doesn't have to upgrade all etc, probably just add another HDD or two..(not a big gamer so Video card upgrade not needed ...curious about installing the OS on the SSD, but few posts I have seen make it seem slightly painful, but those were older post where people had 8.0 and were trying to upgrade to 8.1.....I really wanted to avoid Win 8 as I like Win 7 but just started a new job with an 8.1 Windows laptop and think I will get used to it before too long. 

Just checking Dell US  vs. Dell Canada sites (I bought from Canada).....the US version of the Special Edition is approx $528 more than the Canadian one (whether not onale or both onsale same price difference)....only difference I can see between what I bought and the US one is the '2 year Enhanced' support and current special for the US one gives you option for free upgrade to a Creative Sound card......other than that seem like the same machine..

Anyway thanks for the great detailed post...

Hope to find more posts on the XPS 8700 re: HDD adding and installing OS on the SSD.

I had issue in the past getting Win 7 to recognize 3TB drive.....I know there are ways to resolve this just not sure which is the best....

Also looking for advice on what others do to restore/re-install......I'd prefer a disk image of my system once setup not sure what other options I should consider.....just want to avoid having to re-install all apps etc..

thanks again

pete

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July 20th, 2014 23:00

I bought an xps 8500 plain. my upgrades consisted of an corsair neutron GTX 240 GB SSD. if your system is under warranty call DELL and have them send you the USB stick version to your OS. when I tried installing my OS on my SSD drive it tried installing from the last partition!! so if you plan on using a burnt image from your HHD forget it it will not work. some SSD drive come with software to clone the drives but that takes a while and you can still have problems. one post posted that they had problems with there psu being bigger that the OEM psu I put my 8500 in an corsair 800D case connected to a corsair gs 600 psu with a gtx 780 grapics card. I also put my hooked up an H100i to chill my cpu and it dropped the temps by 50- 60 degrees from what it was running with the junk intel stock cooler!! since the cpu was always running at 150 degrees constantly and it was slowing my pc down and making it stutter. I haven't did the ram upgrade yet i'm debating that one

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July 21st, 2014 01:00

it also baffels me why they would put a high end cpu with a low end video card it seems unbalanced to me

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October 27th, 2014 21:00

How did this work for you and what did you buy....so I can do the same?

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January 6th, 2015 08:00

I ordered--and received in short order--my Dell XPS 8700 mid-December 2014.  I added two hard drives to it (long term storage and a drive dedicated to Linux) and an Asus Nvidia 750 Ti (an upgrade).


Nothing was difficult in the upgrade except getting Ubuntu 14.04 LTS to play nicely with Windows 8.1.  Once I got dual boot working, everything is great.  The computer I received was configured with 16GB of DDR3 memory and an Intel Core i7-4790 processor (8M Cache, up to 4.0 GHz).  The new 750 Ti seems to very nicely balance out the processor and memory.  I've not found a real-world app that slows down this computer.  3dMark11 and Heaven show that the system performs very well when pushed.

Is it a beast?  It is for me.  Games seem to average 50-60 fps (Skyrim HD, Mechwarrior Online).  Applications load quickly.

Best of all, Linux (Ubuntu) recognizes all hardware, and the computer works as well (if not better) in Linux!

Thank you, Dell!

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January 8th, 2015 02:00

That is easy to explain. A 4790 is $300 retail. Dell is able to buy those up for probably half the cost. But a top tier video card is $500-600 for a gtx980. The bulk discount isn't as great and also it eats up into the inventory and manufacturing of other cards. For a tower to be priced at $1000, there isn't much money to be made with high end GPU's without increasing the price past what the normal consumer wants to spend.

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January 8th, 2015 07:00

I ended up buying the cheapest Inspiron 3847 I could find $330.  A retail core I7 4790K was $280.

16 Gigs of PNY Lifetime DDR3 1600 was $160 and my Radeon 7750 was $109.  WEI was locked at 5.9 due to the Hard Drive so I got a 256 Gig MX100 SSD For $110.

So for $989 not all spent at the same time I have a 7.5 WEI index which Im sure would go up to 7.9 if I got the half length GTX 970 card and Power Supply.  Those parts are on the Radar at $350 and $109.

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