First, what model PC and what operating system?  This needs to be on ANY initial problem post.

Where are you seeing the differences in deframentation? and what program are you using for this?

Bill, I'll have to bring up my Vista 64 bit system and see what it tells me.  I don't ever remember seeing something like that before.  All I have is the built in Windows defrag program, I don't have any 3rd party defrag programs (and many of these reorder the drive different than Microsoft does).

You must have been in the AF about the same time I was (55 to 63) if you were in Topeka.  I spent most of my time at Keesler in Biloxi.

I failed to mention that I run the PC Pitstop test and it is what shows me the Fragmented Data Files Percentage. Have always done well using Pitstop. I went in the AF in 59 and got out in 67. I went to Topeka in Jan 64 and went into the 40th Bomber Wing. Bomber wing was don away with by the Air Force so I transferred next door to the 55th SAC Recon Wing. We had RB 47's. Then most of those fazed out. We were down to three and lost one of those in Turkey while I was there TDY. My outfit then moved to Offutt AFB Nebraska. (Sure I Spelt Offutt wrong) They wanted me to sign a 1 year or 6 month extension, but I refused and got an early out in April 67 instead of July 67. If you were under 6 months the AF would not move you and your family. Cost them too much. Bill

I ran the command line defrag with the -v option and there is a lot of data in there, more than I can comprehend.  It probably means something to someone but for 99% of us it's "overload" and not really needed. 

Years ago I used the old Norton Disk Doctor to defrag but when Microsoft started including their own defrag program in the OS I stopped using 3rd party programs and just use the built in MS program.  In Vista, unless you use the command line version, you don't get anything other than it does the defrag if there are no problems.  The Microsoft Defrag arranges the drive with the most often used programs in a certain area for fastest retrieval, other defraggers have their own method of arranging the disk.

I got all my electronics training in the AF (and as a Tech School Instructor at Keesler) and moved on.  I'm retired (GS13) Federal Civil Service.

I have defragged with both and when I run the PC Pitstop Benchmark I get the same % of fragmented Data Files. I assume something like my Music Library would fall in that maybe. You would not have taught a Billy C. Wilson would you? He was from Texas.
Thanks for the Info. I am retired from the Oil and Gas Industry. Bill

Going to change the subject with you. Had my new Dell for a week and three days. Burner started making a lot of racket when I burn now. I think it may be a bad burner. Plays music just fine. Bill

What happens if you slow the burn speed down?  Some of the newer drives do seem noisy when running at high speed.  And some of it is the physical discs, I get varied amounts of noise on playback with different commercial CD and DVD's and some that are very noisy do not physically look like they are defective.  On blank CD-R's (I NEVER use RW media), one brand that we consistently see various problems with on the forum is Memorex and they should be avoided.  I do a lot of audio CD burning as I'm a (country) musician and also have a small home recording studio.  I only use the (ink jet printable) Verbatim disks that I buy at Sam's Club.  I'm set up to burn 5 CD's at one time.   One other thing is to check the mounting, as we've seen some loosely mounted drives. 

I don't remember hardly anyone from my days as a Tech School Instructor.  I started teaching in 1959 (50 years ago)!  The only student's name that I can remember just happened to be someone I graduated high school with.  I went into the AF right after school and he waited and joined the AF 5 years later and just by coincidence he was sent to the Ground Radio Operator School (morse code) and to my class. 

Don't think it was burning very fast. Was at the first part of the disk. I tried to copy a music CD with Roxio and it was quiet. May have been a one time thing. I only use Verbatim printable from Sam's. Sounds like you have a nice Studio set up. Sure it would be hard to remember someone you taught 50 years ago. Thanks for your help. Bill

Just signing back on to thank you for your help Firebred. Burner is fine. Appreciate your help. Bill Knaps