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Paul_Klicky
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January 16th, 2019 14:00
Need Help Upgrading Xeon E5-1603 to ?? Dell T5810
Hello All,
Can anyone point me in the right direction? I have a Dell T5810 Workstation. I am running VM, and it is bogging down on CPU (all 4 at 100%) Windows 7 when I am programming.
I had read that the T5810 supports up to 14 cores, 8 would be great!
This is my current setup...
Processors Information
Socket 1 ID = 0
Number of cores 4 (max 4)
Number of threads 4 (max 4)
Name Intel Xeon E5 v3
Codename Haswell-E/EP
Specification Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-1603 v3 @ 2.80GHz
Package (platform ID) Socket 2011 LGA (0x0)
CPUID 6.F.2
Extended CPUID 6.3F
Core Stepping R2
Technology 22 nm
TDP Limit 140.0 Watts
Tjmax 91.0 °C
Core Speed 2793.3 MHz
Multiplier x Bus Speed 28.0 x 99.8 MHz
Base frequency (cores) 99.8 MHz
Base frequency (ext.) 99.8 MHz
Stock frequency 2800 MHz
Instructions sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, EM64T, VT-x, AES, AVX, AVX2, FMA3
Microcode Revision 0x3D
L1 Data cache 4 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache 4 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache 4 x 256 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L3 cache 10 MBytes, 20-way set associative, 64-byte line size
Max CPUID level 0000000Fh
Max CPUID ext. level 80000008h
Cache descriptor Level 1, D, 32 KB, 2 thread(s)
Cache descriptor Level 1, I, 32 KB, 2 thread(s)
Cache descriptor Level 2, U, 256 KB, 2 thread(s)
Cache descriptor Level 3, U, 10 MB, 16 thread(s)
FID/VID Control yes
IBRS supported, enabled
IBPB supported
STIBP supported, enabled
RDCL_NO no
IBRS_ALL not supported
Turbo Mode not supported
Max non-turbo ratio 28x
Max turbo ratio 28x
Max efficiency ratio 12x
Max Power 280 Watts
Min Power 49 Watts
O/C bins none
Ratio 1 core 28x
Ratio 2 cores 28x
Ratio 3 cores 28x
Ratio 4 cores 28x
Ratio 5 cores 28x
Ratio 6 cores 28x
Ratio 7 cores 28x
Ratio 8 cores 28x
Ratio 9 cores 28x
Ratio 10 cores 28x
Ratio 11 cores 28x
Ratio 12 cores 28x
Ratio 13 cores 28x
Ratio 14 cores 28x
Ratio 15 cores 28x
Ratio 16 cores 28x
Ratio 17 cores 28x
Ratio 18 cores 28x
IA Voltage Mode PCU adaptive
IA Voltage Offset 0 mV
GT Voltage Mode PCU adaptive
GT Voltage Offset 0 mV
LLC/Ring Voltage Mode PCU adaptive
LLC/Ring Voltage Offset 0 mV
Agent Voltage Mode PCU adaptive
Agent Voltage Offset 0 mV
TDP Level 140.0 W @ 28x
TDP Level 140.0 W @ 25x
Temperature 0 36 degC (96 degF) (Package)
Temperature 1 27 degC (80 degF) (Core #0)
Temperature 2 30 degC (86 degF) (Core #1)
Temperature 3 28 degC (82 degF) (Core #2)
Temperature 4 28 degC (82 degF) (Core #3)
Voltage 0 0.94 Volts (VID)
Voltage 1 +0.00 Volts (IA Offset)
Voltage 2 +0.00 Volts (GT Offset)
Voltage 3 +0.00 Volts (LLC/Ring Offset)
Voltage 4 +0.00 Volts (System Agent Offset)
Power 00 30.73 W (Package)
Power 01 n.a. (IA Cores)
Power 02 n.a. (Uncore)
Power 03 16.04 W (DRAM)
Clock Speed 0 2793.33 MHz (Core #0)
Clock Speed 1 2793.33 MHz (Core #1)
Clock Speed 2 2793.33 MHz (Core #2)
Clock Speed 3 2793.33 MHz (Core #3)
Core 0 max ratio 28.0 (effective 28.0)
Core 1 max ratio 28.0 (effective 28.0)
Core 2 max ratio 28.0 (effective 28.0)
Core 3 max ratio 28.0 (effective 28.0)
Chipset
Northbridge Intel Haswell-E rev. 02
Southbridge Intel X99 rev. 05
Graphic Interface PCI-Express
PCI-E Link Width x16
PCI-E Max Link Width x16
Memory Type DDR4
Memory Size 32 GBytes
Channels Quad
Memory Frequency 931.2 MHz (1:14)
CAS# latency (CL) 13.0
RAS# to CAS# delay (tRCD) 13
RAS# Precharge (tRP) 13
Cycle Time (tRAS) 31
Row Refresh Cycle Time (tRFC) 243
Command Rate (CR) 1T
tCCD 4
tCCD_L 5
tCCD_WR 4
tCCD_WR_L 5
Uncore Frequency 2793.3 MHz
Host Bridge 0x2F00
Mainboard Model 0K240Y (0x0000016A - 0x004DAB20)
V3 stand for Haswell-based Xeon CPUs. Higher version like V4 (Broadwell-based) and V5 (Skylake-based) would not work on your system while they are in totally different bridge micro-architecture and socket.
For choosing between 16XX and 26XX, check on Wiki. Take 1680 and 2667 into comparison. They come with same value of cores, frequency, cache level and supported memories. The only difference is on I/O bus which distinguish them from uni-processor and dual-processor. And you can see that a 2667 cost US$300 more than a 1680. Therefore most people choose 1680 for a single CPU system in normal cases, unless you have concerns on memory speed as mentioned on my previous reply.
Paul_Klicky
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Posted January 17th, 2019 06:00
Thanks BCB!
So V3 to V3 is a must?
Also, can you, does it make sense to go from 16xx to 26xx?
My motherboard is a single processor.
Thank you so much for the reply.
Paul
Paul_Klicky
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Posted January 17th, 2019 09:00
Thanks again Cowboy.
I am having a hard time locating these, any recommend searches?
So I have narrowed it down to...
E5-1660v3
E5-1680v3
E5-1681v3
E5-1686v3
E5-1691v4
I have checked the Bay and jiji, and there are not many options.
There is also a huge price difference between 1660 and 1680.
Hey Paul, I install the Intel Xeon E5-1680 v3 CPU in Dell Precision t5810.
It is working great. Up great your BIOS first. If you have slow (PC4 - 17000) memory in your Dell it will run with the speed of the memory. If you have a fast (PC4 - 21300) memory in your Dell and you want to utilize a full benefit of that memory, you need a Intel Xeon E5-26xx v3 series CPU. The Intel Xeon E5-2637 v3 CPU is the lowest performer of the series. Here are the options that I personally installed:
Intel Xeon E5-2650 v3 S-stepping: SR1YA
Intel Xeon E5-2680 v3 S-stepping: SR1XP
Intel Xeon E5-2690 v3 S-stepping: SR1XN
and the fastest that I Install in the t5810 is Intel Xeon E5-2697 v3 S-stepping: SR1XF
Performance was calculated with fast memory, do not mix fast and slow memory modules, because your Dell will run on the speed of the slowest memory module. Speed is determent by the speed of a FSB of the processor.
P.S. There is v4 CPUs that will work with this workstation, but I cannot guaranty if they will work with your motherboard, I recommend to stick with knowing working CPUs.
Hi, sorry, MAJOR thread necro, but this is completely on point for my question -
@bmcowboy wrote:
V3 stand for Haswell-based Xeon CPUs. Higher version like V4 (Broadwell-based) and V5 (Skylake-based) would not work on your system while they are in totally different bridge micro-architecture and socket.
I just ordered a couple of these ... https://www.dellrefurbished.ca/item/dell-precision-5810-tower-5f85dd8a/dell-precision-5810-tower/1.html?child=dell-precision-5810-tower-000019&p=1
The listing has to be a mistake then, right? Which would also explain the price? It's probably actually a v3?
I'm fine if it is, it's still a starting point at least and it looks like a 12-core, lower TDP upgrade will be dirt cheap - but I don't want to order that yet until I can confirm this thing can't _actually_ take a v4 CPU as the listing implies.
Thanks!!Hi @Hyacin ,
Further checked on the official T5810 SpecSheet and found no V4 CPU listed. However, Userbenchmark do shows builds installed with V4 CPU like E5-16450 v4. Therefore, those you planned to order should be V4 CPU and listed correctly.
When compare with those V3 listing, the V4 one even with double-sized memory and SSD but interestingly in half price. Not a bad deal!
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@Hyacin , I hope that you didn't forget to apply additional 25% off. It brings the price down to 456 CAD or 357 USD. Very good find for a Win 10 pro system with Xeon quad, 32 GB RAM, Quadro 4GB Maxwell card and 1TB storage.
You can throw an E5-2680 v4 in there.
The extra 25% off is what sold me!
I've ordered a couple E5-1650v4s for them - the single core performance even slightly exceeds the Ryzen 5 4600Us I have my heaviest Proxmox workloads running on - and I figured single core is where I'd feel it the most if it were sluggish ... plus with only 32GB (and upgrade options on that front appearing to be very expensive) I don't imagine running more than 4-5 VMs on each at MOST, so 6c/12t should be perfect!
My first Xeons since an ill-conceived 2U PowerEdge 2xxx purchase I made in like 2002 (who knew they sounded like jet engines and wouldn't be good in an apartment?!)!! Super excited, can't wait for them to get here!
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Posted January 16th, 2019 22:00
Hi @Paul_Klicky,
Both E5-16XX v3 and E5-26XX v3 family works for T5810. And in most cases, 16XX for single CPU system and 26XX for dual. If 8 cores is good enough, E5-1680 v3 may fit your needs.
However, memory speeds supported by the varies processor are different. For example, if your system installed with 2133 MHz memory and an E5-1680 v3 CPU, memory would only runs at 1866 MHz. Only E5-2637 v3 or above support 2133 MHz memory running in full speed. Therefore, check those in your system before choosing new CPU.
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