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April 9th, 2012 17:00

moving a dm to vdm different systems

Hi guys,

I need a quick advice, following my scenario:

- ns120 in production with existing cifs data residing on physical data mover

- data has to be moved to a new vnx5300 system as the ns120 will be decomissioned

this is my plan:

- replicate the cifs to the physical datamover on the vnx5300

- break the replica and set the destination file system in r/w on the vnx5300.

- dismount the file system from the datamover and mount the file system to the virtual data mover on the vnx

the goal is to haave  qucik option to rollback in case something happens, that means i will shutdown the ns120fs1 but i have the option to have it back if needed. Systems have different dns names/ips .

how does it sound? Need some people with experience as EMC guys at support only gives reference to the administrationg guides, they dont have direct exeprience on field.

\thanks

  • christopher_ime

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    Posted April 9th, 2012 23:00

    myrdin wrote:


    So I m trying to be more clear:

    - Is there any particoular drawback to NOT to mount the cifs to a VDM on the SOURCE system and instead replicate the physical datamover, switchover and mount to VDM on the TARGET system afterwards?

    thanks!

    Sure, you could keep the CIFS server on the physical datamover, but keep in mind there is not a method to "replicate the physical datamover" (using Replicator).  With Replicator as you know, your only choices are: VDM or filesystem.  To accomplish what you want to do, you'd effectively have to treat the source as if it were a traditional (Windows or third-party NAS) fileserver which is of course another perspective but you are (unnecessarily) complicating things as you'd have to do something similiar to the following:

    1) Having replicated the filesystems, create a CIFS server on the target "OrigName-NEW"

    2) Using Windows migration tools available on PowerLink copy Local Groups (LGDUP.EXE) as necessary

    Home > Support > Product and Diagnostic Tools > Celerra Tools > Windows Migration Tools

     

    3) Either recreate shares and apply share permissions manually or run SHAREDUP.EXE

    4) Then you'd follow the separate EMC KB article (emc156835) to rename the CIFS server on the SRC to, for instance, "OrigName-OLD" and rename the new CIFS server reusing the original "OrigName".

    5) Then you'd follow the above mentioned KB article to move from physical to VDM. 

    You could save yourself all of this by simply starting the process with the move to VDM which you are going to be running anyways and then replicating the VDM.

    Unless I am missing an important reason why this is not an option for you (maybe you can't take the brief outage up-front as required with the initial move to VDM) or I'm not understanding correctly what you are trying to accomplish and I apologize.

  • christopher_ime

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    Posted April 9th, 2012 22:00

    You will want to move the CIFS server to a VDM before you begin per the referenced KB article below, then replicate the VDM (which will now contain the CIFS related information such as: CIFS server itself, local groups, shares and share permissions, etc.).  Along with providing the KB article to address your specific question/concern, I simply would like to also list other things you'll want/need to consider.

    1) Check DART compatibility

    Firstly, you need to make sure you are running compatible versions of DART.  If you aren't running the same version of DART on each array, make sure you are at least compliant per the NAS Support Matrix available on PowerLink via the following breadcrumb trail:

    Home > Support > Interoperability and Product Lifecycle Information > Interoperability Matrices


    [...]

    System Requirements for Replicator v2


    Following are the Replicatorv2 system requirements:
    • NAS 5.6 or greater is required for Replicator v2.
    • Replicator works with any backend systems supported for Celerra and VNX File..
    • Replication between DART 5.6.x and DART 6.x and VNX File 7.x is supported with DART 5.6.47 and higher.
    • Total storage capacity per DM (including Replicator SavVol and SnapSure SavVol) not exceed the limits listed in the NAS Interoperability Matrix.

    [...]

    Also review the PDF for other considerations such as various maximums related to replicator.

    2) White Paper: "Migrating Data from an EMC Celerra Array to a VNX Platform Using Celerra Replicator"

    This is a good walk-through of the process, and is available on PowerLink via the following breadcrumb trail:


    Home > Support > Technical Documentation and Advisories > Hardware/Platforms Documentation > VNX Series > White Papers

    Even though the target array in the paper is a VNX, you should be able to follow along since the interface for the Replicator configuration hasn't really changed (once you find the page they are referring to in the guide). 

    3) CIFS server (along with the corresponding filesystems) must be mounted on a VDM (not the physical data mover)

    What the whitepaper assumes though, is that your CIFS server on the source array is already assigned to a VDM.  If it instead is mounted to the physical data mover (along with the associated filesystems), then you'll want to follow the instructions in the following KB article before you begin:


    emc170111: "How to move a CIFS server from a physical Data Mover to a Virtual Data Mover (VDM)"

    Also, as documented, for the final SWITCHOVER to complete successfully remember to create a "same-named" interface on the target (and via Dynamic DNS, updates your DNS records automatically if allowed when brought online).

    4) Reference Guide: "Using Celerra Replicator (V2)"

    You should also download a copy of "Using Celerra Replicator (V2)" for reference as needed.  It is available from PowerLink via the following breadcrumb trail:


    Home > Support > Technical Documentation and Advisories > Hardware/Platforms Documentation > Celerra Network Server > Installation/Configuration

    5) Additional features (not handled by replicator)

    Then there are other things that you will need to plan for such as enabling/configuring on the new array those features which were in use on the original such as:


    1) NDMP

    2) CAVA
    3) FTP
    4) Usermapper

    etc...


    The actual data itself will of course get copied via Replicator, but there are features/integration that would need manual intervention such as enabling any relevant services, recreating users (DHSM, NDMP, etc), redefining or export/import of configuration files, etc.

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    Posted April 9th, 2012 22:00

    thanks for your answers mate.

    1- DART are both on latest releases (updated last January)

    2/3- Read those documents already. They are refferring to replicate a vdm, not a cifs mounted to a physical VDM. And you are correctly linking me to "how to move to vdm etc etc".

    4- pretty familiar as i did other migration already but not to vnx yet.

    5- I am aware of that and I will reacrete everything manually as we want to clean up stuff

    So I m trying to be more clear:

    - Is there any particoular drawback to NOT to mount the cifs to a VDM on the SOURCE system and instead replicate the physical datamover, switchover and mount to VDM on the TARGET system afterwards?

    thanks!

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    Posted April 10th, 2012 22:00

    thanks mate, this the answer that i was looking for and I have marked your answer as correct, I guess you will get the points as well.

    cheers

  • mothe

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    Posted December 11th, 2012 19:00

    Chris,

    can you please list steps with commands to move CIFS and Filesystems mounted on Physical datamover to VDM.

    I am in the process of moving cifs and fs from NS704 to VNX5700, I see that best way is convert mount cifs and fs on to vdm and use celerra replicator to migrate them to VNX.

    Thank you

    Praveen

  • christopher_ime

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    Posted December 11th, 2012 22:00

    mothe,

    Refer to the following KB article:

    emc170111:"How to move a CIFS server from a physical Data Mover to a Virtual Data Mover (VDM)"

    My best advice is to first try with a test CIFS server and filesystem(s) and to write the commands down ahead of time before your scheduled downtime.  It is a very common procedure and has been performed countless times.

  • mothe

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    Posted December 13th, 2012 20:00

    Chris,

    I followed the emc170111 for a test cifs server moved to vdm, I am struck at this this step.

    server_umount -perm / server_mountpoint -create / server_mount /

    server_umount server_4 -perm /vdmtest server_mountpoint VDM4 -create /vdmtest server_mount VDM4 vdmtest /vdmtest

    i am getting usage error

    Error 2100: usage: server_umount { | ALL }

            [-perm | -temp] [ -Force ] { -all |  fs_name | mount_point }

    i think i am missing something in the command..

    where \\ddcemcdm6\vdmtest is the orginal cifs server and share name before moving to VDM4

  • christopher_ime

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    Posted December 13th, 2012 23:00

    mothe wrote:

    server_umount server_4 -perm /vdmtest server_mountpoint VDM4 -create /vdmtest server_mount VDM4 vdmtest /vdmtest

    i am getting usage error

    Error 2100: usage: server_umount { | ALL }

            [-perm | -temp] [ -Force ] { -all |  fs_name | mount_point }

    Those are 3 separate commands:

    server_umount ...

    server_mountpoint ...

    server_mount ...

    It looks as if you mistakenly blended them as a single command (well... that is, you did so without any command separator such as semicolon or double ampersands only *if* you are for some reason looking to make it a single line). 

    btw, if that last comment in parens doesn't make sense, ignore.  Just issue them as separate commands.

  • mothe

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    Posted December 14th, 2012 10:00

    Thanks Chris it worked.

    Now i will do it in production system..

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    Posted December 23rd, 2012 14:00

    Any issues faced?