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CX4 RG configuration
Hi All,
I'm a new bee to CX4-480, when trying to create a RG of 1+0 type > using 2 drives Bus 0 Encl 0 Disk 0 or any drives from this enclosure along with 2 drives from Bus1 Encl 0 Disk 0 and 1 I get a warning message "for power related". What does it relate to?
I created the RG using 2 disks from Bus 1 Encl 0 and Bus1 Encl1.Wouldn't we able to create any RG of 1+0 from this Bus 0.
Appreciate any help or suggestion.
regards,
Samir
I'm a new bee to CX4-480, when trying to create a RG of 1+0 type > using 2 drives Bus 0 Encl 0 Disk 0 or any drives from this enclosure along with 2 drives from Bus1 Encl 0 Disk 0 and 1 I get a warning message "for power related". What does it relate to?
I created the RG using 2 disks from Bus 1 Encl 0 and Bus1 Encl1.Wouldn't we able to create any RG of 1+0 from this Bus 0.
Appreciate any help or suggestion.
regards,
Samir
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RRR
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November 9th, 2009 02:00
So in short: aren't you able to create the RG if you choose the disks in another order ?
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October 26th, 2009 08:00
AranH1
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October 26th, 2009 09:00
Since you are creating a RAID10 group with half the disks in one enclosure, and half in another enclosure, you are minimizing the possibility of data loss in the event of a power outage (whereas if you were using RAID5 you would lose data). But I would think you are still at risk and you would be better off to use drives from another enclosure.
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October 26th, 2009 10:00
glen
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October 26th, 2009 10:00
sasamir1
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October 26th, 2009 21:00
I get an alert when choosing disks from ex Bus 0 Encl 1 and Bus 1 encl 0 and so on,so I guess I can just ignore the alert for RG creation but make sure our Data center doesn't loose power at any time.
Thanks Glen and Aran for your suggestions on creation of RG 1+0.
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October 27th, 2009 06:00
AranH1
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October 27th, 2009 08:00
That would be like a RAID5 group losing more than one drive at a time right?
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October 28th, 2009 20:00
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October 29th, 2009 07:00
DGM3
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October 30th, 2009 14:00
The scenario we are seeking to avoid is inducing Rebuild operation(s) across 1/2 of the drives in the mirror (RAID 1, or RAID 1/0). Consider the simplest example - a RAID 1 pair with one drive (call it Drive0) in Bus 0 Enclosure 0 and the other drive (call it Drive1) in some other enclosure. If such a config experiences a power failure, Bus 0 Enclosure 0 is going to run for longer than any of the other enclosures. The array sees Drive0 continuing to operate while Drive1 is inaccessible - this can result in the array considering Drive1 to the "faulted", and it will be marked as needing a Rebuild. This is the situation/configuration that we recommend avoiding (as we certainly prefer to maintain redundancy at all times). However, if it does happen... any in-progress IOs will still be completed to Drive0, and the information on Drive0 will be intact; it will not be corrupted or discarded. When the array powers back up, a Rebuild will be performed, and the contents of Drive0 will be rebuilt onto Drive1, restoring the mirror to full redundancy.
So the risk of a "split mirror" config is that a power failure could result in the mirror being broken, requiring a Rebuild operation to restore redundancy. We recommend avoiding that, but such an event, if it occurs, will not corrupt or discard the data contained within the RAID group.
In the more complex/nuanced case of a metaLUN, where some component LUNs are SPS protected and others are not, data integrity is still maintained. Note that the array does not acknowledge writes back to a host server until either; the data is in Write Cache, or the data has been successfully written to disk. If it's a write from Write Cache that gets interrupted by a power failure, that operation will be re-executed when the array powers back up. If it's an un-cached write that gets interrupted, the host will not receive an acknowledgement of the write, and normal host error handling/recovery used for any sort of power failure scenario would occur. The key point is - any write operations that the array acknowledged completion of, are maintained (they are not corrupted or discarded).
Regards,
DGM
P.S. For additional discussion, see the "Binding with DAE0 drives" segment in the CLARiiON Best Practices document.
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October 30th, 2009 21:00
so what would happen in my scenario where i have a 2 component striped MetaLUN where components 0 is in 4+1R5 RG on B0E0 while component 1 is in 4+1R5 RG some other Enclosure ? Also would the outcome be different if this was a concatenated MetaLUN ?
Thank you
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November 1st, 2009 16:00
It's the same as outlined above - any write operations within Write Cache that don't complete will be completed when the array powers back up, and any write operations that are non-cached that don't complete will be subject to normal host power failure handling. This guidance is applicable independent of what enclosure a LUN or metaLUN component resides in, and independent of whether a metaLUN is striped or concatenated.
Regards,
DGM
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November 1st, 2009 17:00
so worth case scenario i will have crash consistent data on my MetaLUN but i will not lose data that was already distaged to disk?
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November 1st, 2009 19:00
You will have a crash consistent image on any LUN or metaLUN. Any writes that were acknowledged by the storage system (writes into Write Cache or uncached writes to disk, which were reported back to the host as being completed) will persist through the power failure.
Regards,
DGM