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December 14th, 2019 04:00

Support Assist is not very helpful

I have an Inspiron 7570 that is 20 months old. Yesterday I did the scheduled monthly scan and it reported a hard disk failure. It has offered me three different replacement hard disks, all of which are 500Gb 2.5 in drives. As my laptop has a 256Gb SSD this is not helpful. Also it does not report the drive letter that is failing. As I also have two external hard drives on and E: I think it is more likely that one of these is the problem. I think it is unlikely that I have ever done a scan with these disks connected as I only use them for backups. Now that it has reported this failure it seems to have become obsessed with this and there is now no way to perform a manual scan. I disconnected the hard drives and scheduled a scan for the next day and waited for that. It still complained about a hard drive failure even though no hard drives were connected. I need to get it to forget all previous problems and allow me to do a manual scan from scratch so I can believe what it says. Replacing an external drive is easy but it may be the USB port that is failing. I would try the disks in different USB ports but as I cannot perform a manual scan that I can trust this is not possible. How can I get unconfused?

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December 14th, 2019 07:00

@PeterW333 

The description above the link may give a clue to what it is???

Oh yea and its version.

Good luck,

U2

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December 14th, 2019 10:00

" As that is probably downgrade to a magnetic disk which would be intolerable now I'm used to an SSD and as my laptop seems to be working perfectly, I guess I'll just keep using it until it really does fail and then buy a new one "

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You could check out the Solid State Drives prices for your computer in link below. The prices are much cheaper than Dell and their SSD come with a warranty.

Crucial solid state drives (SSDs)

https://www.crucial.com/

Crucial Solid State Drive's website also offer videos on how to clone the old drive to the new solid state drive 

https://www.crucial.com/usa/en/ssd-install-1

Part 2 of 4 - Installing a Crucial 2.5" SSD: Copy

https://youtu.be/pQw4E8ecL5c

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December 14th, 2019 05:00

Welcome to the Dell Community  @PeterW333 

Is your Support Assist up to date???

Dell Update - SupportAssist Update Plugin: "Version 5.0.1.10874, A00"

https://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=82ngy&oscode=wt64a&productcode=inspiron-15-7570-laptop

Best regards,

U2

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December 14th, 2019 05:00

It claims it is:

Version [3.4.0.200] |  You are running the latest version of SupportAssist.

I'm not sure what that link was supposed to be so I didn't use it.

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December 14th, 2019 09:00

Sorry, I know you're trying to help but my problem was that I do not know what the relationship is between the plugin that you mention and the Dell Support Assist app that is installed on my laptop. What does it plug in to? I have installed it anyway and Support Assist is still at version 3. I suspect there may be another interpretation of Support Assist and that we are talking at cross purposes. Perhaps there is a Dell Support Assist website that runs a browser plugin? I have discovered that the History button shows more information and it really does seem to be complaining about the SSD even though it does not offer a replacement SSD as a result. So I do not see how I am going to fix this.

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December 14th, 2019 09:00

It looks like I answered my own question. So I have now repeated the tests using the online facility. I got the same test results but this time it actually told me that the part I need is no longer available and that I must phone up to find out what my options are. As that is probably downgrade to a magnetic disk which would be intolerable now I'm used to an SSD and as my laptop seems to be working perfectly, I guess I'll just keep using it until it really does fail and then buy a new one. I back up all my important files every few minutes so I am not in danger of losing anything that I cannot recreate. I can always work with data files on external drives if I get nervous.

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December 22nd, 2019 04:00

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December 22nd, 2019 04:00

That all looks quite straightforward, I'll give it a go. Just one area of uncertainty. You say I will need an external enclosure but the Crucial instructions for cloning say I only need a USB/SATA cable and the diagram makes it look like the unit itself comes with an adapter. As I have two external HDDs, I am guessing that I can use the cable from one of these, would they be USB/SATA?

Thanks for such a great response.

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December 22nd, 2019 05:00

Aha! Now I have seen a picture of a USB/SATA cable I can see how I misinterpreted the picture. What I took for an adapter is actually the SATA plug itself. I have not seen such a large plug for many years. I used to use SCSI, RS232 and Centronics plugs in the old days, before USB took over most jobs.

Thanks for the clarification.

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December 22nd, 2019 06:00

Your very welcome @PeterW333 

Same here, I still see a Centronics and SCSI every once in awhile, not so much RS232.

I can remember using IBM punch cards to run diagnostics on Gould SEL systems

WOW it has been a long time.

Best regards,

U2

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January 14th, 2020 04:00

OK, all done now, laptop is still working fine and diagnostics are clean. There were a few issues along the way and I will document them here for the benefit of anyone else who lights upon this article. I will post each one separately.

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January 14th, 2020 04:00

I watched a YouTube video of how to open the case which made it look easy but it wasn't. Removing the screws was easy enough but it really did not want to come apart. I had to force a pointed object into the crack at the back next to the hinge and when it finally gave way there was the unmistakeable sound of plastic clips breaking. I subsequently found at least one clip fragment inside the case. It all went back together again OK so I guess I didn't do too much damage.

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January 14th, 2020 04:00

Crucial sell a USB/SATA cable for a more expensive £10 but I went for that to keep things simple. When things go wrong it is easier if everything came from one supplier. The cloning software was easy to use but when it got to an unreadable sector it suggested running chkdsk so I abandoned the cloning and ran chkdsk with /R. It didn't find anything to fix. So I cloned again and clicked Ignore when a sector could not be read. I did this about 12 times (a continuous range of sectors numbered >3,000,000) and then clicked Ignore All so I don't know how many were bad. It took about 30 minutes for my 256Gb disk.

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January 14th, 2020 05:00

Once it was all back together, but before putting the back on, I booted it up to ensure all was well. It was fine. So I switched off and put the back on. Booted it up again and it showed this week's gallery picture (a Giraffe, as it happens) but when I put my PIN in the screen just went black. I left it for ten minutes but nothing happened so, panic mode. I left it off for a couple of minutes and then booted again. It came on fine and has been fine ever since. I subsequently discovered that the first thing it did after I replaced the SSD was a Windows Update. Aargh! If I was to do this again I think I would disable Windows Update and not re-enable it until I was sure that all was working fine. You can do without the uncertainty of a WU at this time.

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