The recovery partition is not from us(Dell). The recovery partition is part of Windows. When you install Windows it is created automatically. It is the Windows Recovery Environment.
When you press F8 during boot and choose the option to Repair you are entering the WinRE that is installed on that partition. WinRE is an independent operating system on it's own partition that is used to access and attempt to repair/recover from operating system issues.
Then I tried Recovery and got a BSOD.
Are you saying that you tried to enter WinRE and it blue screened or did you try to do some type of recovery with your backup program?
>Are you saying that you tried to enter WinRE and it blue screened or did you try to do some type of recovery with your backup program?<
I did the to access it after I restored it, and got the BSOD. (For some reason I didn't get an E-Mail that you responded)
The Microsoft backup environment is lacking when it comes to maintaining accessible history. Third parties fill that need. They ALL say they can do do hardware-independent, bare-metal restore. What I've learned is that there are many instances where they cannot do a restore period, let alone a hardware-independent or bare-metal restore. Example: Dell's default controllers for many models is the S series. I bought one for a customer before I realized what they were slipping into the PERC line. Other vendors have done the same thing with their servers. The only backup that can restore an S series is a Microsoft backup. You can't even do it with WinPE. After running into that, I'm replacing an S series with an H700.
What I'm attempting to do is determine if third parties can do hardware-independent, bare-metal restores even with the H700, and adjust my procedures accordingly. If they cannot produce a real recovery partition, then the answer is no. You must first do at least a partial install n install of Windows. The question is, how does one do that? I don't have to do it often at customer sites, but as I recall with the last one, I started with the Dell disk, and it led me through to a point where it asked for the location of the backup. Then I pointed to it, and it took it from there. My thought was, perhaps at that point I could reboot, and go into the 3rd part recovery environment and restore the system and data, IF the Recovery partition has already been created at that point. Perhaps you could tell me that?
The next question would be, does the Recovery partition ever get updated after that? Dell's Life Cycle Controller updates drivers and firmware. How does that work with the Recovery partition?
>What OS are you using and what backup/restore software are you using?<
SBS 2008 ShadowProtect SMB
Other: I agree 2008 tries to load the right drivers, and in fact it did, and made registry changes in a DOS box as well, and everything worked fine, but apparently it doesn't go that way in Recovery.
I read that, and have been down that road. Nothing there addresses drivers for the Recovery partition drivers. The docs talk about the "new" Vista Recovery environment, and older XP recovery environment, which are no more. Their recovery environments these days are Windows 8 32 bit PE, and Cross Platform. I've worked with both. Generally, cross-platform works better. The PE environment in theory lets you side load drivers. IME, the ONLY drivers that side load are ones on their CD. I've never once gotten a Dell driver to load. In theory, it will take is for 32 Windows 7/2008 R2, or 32 bit Windows 8/Server 2012 drivers, and not Vista/2008.
As far as getting the driver into the OS, that wasn't an issue. I installed the H700 a week before the restore, so Windows already had the drivers. That didn't even require an HIR. Everything went fine except the Recovery partition. However, if the system had required and HIR, I don't know how that would have gone. You need to get a special Auth key every time you do an HIR, and it's only good for 24 hours. I don't know if it actually can roll in the correct drivers, but I'm guessing for the H700 it could. They absolutely cannot restore the Dell's default S series controllers, no matter which environment you use. ShadowProtect tech support spent days trying. The H700 works with either environment.
Back to the main question. When does the Recovery environment get made? During the Dell disk recovery, that sets up to use the Windows Server Backup restore, it leads you through everything, and then asks you to point to the backup. I'm wondering if it has been made yet. If the Recovery partition has been made, I could reboot and restore the rest with ShadowProtect. If no one knows the answer to that, I'll experiment with it this weekend. It will cost me ~7 hours to find out that way, but sometimes that's what it takes.
That is not only enlightening, but also useful. I have other customers with T310s with the same OS that have the H700 controller. I thought I had two, but I only have one server at a customer that we bought with an S300 before we realized what Dell slipped into the PERC line. I'm replacing the S300 with an H700 this weekend. So from what you've written, about the only thing I would need to do is restore the Recovery partition from one of the H700 servers, and I would be good to go.
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February 23rd, 2014 10:00
Hello jtoering
The recovery partition is not from us(Dell). The recovery partition is part of Windows. When you install Windows it is created automatically. It is the Windows Recovery Environment.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh825173.aspx
When you press F8 during boot and choose the option to Repair you are entering the WinRE that is installed on that partition. WinRE is an independent operating system on it's own partition that is used to access and attempt to repair/recover from operating system issues.
Are you saying that you tried to enter WinRE and it blue screened or did you try to do some type of recovery with your backup program?
Thanks
JToering
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February 25th, 2014 11:00
>Are you saying that you tried to enter WinRE and it blue screened or did you try to do some type of recovery with your backup program?<
I did the to access it after I restored it, and got the BSOD. (For some reason I didn't get an E-Mail that you responded)
The Microsoft backup environment is lacking when it comes to maintaining accessible history. Third parties fill that need. They ALL say they can do do hardware-independent, bare-metal restore. What I've learned is that there are many instances where they cannot do a restore period, let alone a hardware-independent or bare-metal restore. Example: Dell's default controllers for many models is the S series. I bought one for a customer before I realized what they were slipping into the PERC line. Other vendors have done the same thing with their servers. The only backup that can restore an S series is a Microsoft backup. You can't even do it with WinPE. After running into that, I'm replacing an S series with an H700.
What I'm attempting to do is determine if third parties can do hardware-independent, bare-metal restores even with the H700, and adjust my procedures accordingly. If they cannot produce a real recovery partition, then the answer is no. You must first do at least a partial install n install of Windows. The question is, how does one do that? I don't have to do it often at customer sites, but as I recall with the last one, I started with the Dell disk, and it led me through to a point where it asked for the location of the backup. Then I pointed to it, and it took it from there. My thought was, perhaps at that point I could reboot, and go into the 3rd part recovery environment and restore the system and data, IF the Recovery partition has already been created at that point. Perhaps you could tell me that?
The next question would be, does the Recovery partition ever get updated after that? Dell's Life Cycle Controller updates drivers and firmware. How does that work with the Recovery partition?
Thanks TONS for your help!
JToering
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February 26th, 2014 06:00
>What OS are you using and what backup/restore software are you using?<
SBS 2008
ShadowProtect SMB
Other:
I agree 2008 tries to load the right drivers, and in fact it did, and made registry changes in a DOS box as well, and everything worked fine, but apparently it doesn't go that way in Recovery.
Thanks!
JToering
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February 26th, 2014 18:00
I read that, and have been down that road. Nothing there addresses drivers for the Recovery partition drivers. The docs talk about the "new" Vista Recovery environment, and older XP recovery environment, which are no more. Their recovery environments these days are Windows 8 32 bit PE, and Cross Platform. I've worked with both. Generally, cross-platform works better. The PE environment in theory lets you side load drivers. IME, the ONLY drivers that side load are ones on their CD. I've never once gotten a Dell driver to load. In theory, it will take is for 32 Windows 7/2008 R2, or 32 bit Windows 8/Server 2012 drivers, and not Vista/2008.
As far as getting the driver into the OS, that wasn't an issue. I installed the H700 a week before the restore, so Windows already had the drivers. That didn't even require an HIR. Everything went fine except the Recovery partition. However, if the system had required and HIR, I don't know how that would have gone. You need to get a special Auth key every time you do an HIR, and it's only good for 24 hours. I don't know if it actually can roll in the correct drivers, but I'm guessing for the H700 it could. They absolutely cannot restore the Dell's default S series controllers, no matter which environment you use. ShadowProtect tech support spent days trying. The H700 works with either environment.
Back to the main question. When does the Recovery environment get made? During the Dell disk recovery, that sets up to use the Windows Server Backup restore, it leads you through everything, and then asks you to point to the backup. I'm wondering if it has been made yet. If the Recovery partition has been made, I could reboot and restore the rest with ShadowProtect. If no one knows the answer to that, I'll experiment with it this weekend. It will cost me ~7 hours to find out that way, but sometimes that's what it takes.
Thanks!
JToering
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February 27th, 2014 09:00
That is not only enlightening, but also useful. I have other customers with T310s with the same OS that have the H700 controller. I thought I had two, but I only have one server at a customer that we bought with an S300 before we realized what Dell slipped into the PERC line. I'm replacing the S300 with an H700 this weekend. So from what you've written, about the only thing I would need to do is restore the Recovery partition from one of the H700 servers, and I would be good to go.
Thanks!