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February 12th, 2019 08:00

SA, 3.1.30.0, 3.1.0.142, not working

Dell SupportAssist versions 3.1.30.0 (Microsoft Store) and 3.1.0.142 (Dell) don't function properly.

Up to this latest Dell version, SupportAssist functioned properly on my Optiplex 960 SFF with Windows 10 Pro (32 bit).
I especially like the "optimize" function.
When I started SupportAssist yesterday it first ran an update (146 MB installed) after which it did not function anymore: upon starting it it very shortly shows a blue window with a wrench, sometimes not noticeable at all.

Note 1: I saw this recently on another family Optiplex 960 SFF with Windows 10 Pro (32 bit) where I also have not yet been able to resolve it.

So I completely uninstalled the Dell version, restarted the PC and installed the Microsoft Store version (50.9 MB installed). Exactly the same behaviour as with the Dell version.
Uninstalled the app, restarted the PC and went to the US Dell site.
There I had it detect my PC and for that it needed SupportAssist which was not installed. I agreed to the terms and conditions and started the download and had SupportAssist installed.
But it failed to continue and detect my PC.
I went back to detect my PC and again it came with a message that SupportAssist was not installed.
So again I agreed to the terms and conditions and started the download but running it generated a Dutch language message that the installation had been cancelled because the latest version of SupportAssist was already installed.
I tried this several times with PC restarts in between and everything else I could think of.
Note 2: sometime during the installation process the SupportAssist shortcut appears on the Desktop but lateron it disappears.
Note 3: on the other family PC I once saw during the installation the Dell folder appear that used to be in the Start menu (containing a shortcut SupportAssist and a folder SupportAssist with the Desktop Configuration settings) and then I could run SupportAssist once. Thereafter the folder was gone and it behaved as described earlier.

But there are more strange things.
When I have the Dutch DellEMC site (logged in) detect my System configuration, that functions flawlessly: it finds SupportAssist, SupportAssist detects my PC and finds my operating system to be Microsoft Windows 10 Pro etc.
But when I select Diagnostics on the Dutch site, it generates a message that it cannot do that because it functions only for operating systems Windows 10, Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 (so what's the problem?). On the US site the System configuration cannot be detected because of the SupportAssist problem.


So the responses of the Dell Support sites seem not to be identical making it difficult to get hold of the problem.

Maybe the apps are fine but there is a communications problem with the Dell servers (the previous SupportAssist shortcut pointed to the SupportAssist Installer, so it probably first starts with checking for updates).

Does anyone know what's going on and know how to fix this?

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February 12th, 2019 09:00

Addition 1: When I look for System configuration data, I refresh it as the data shown may be data having been stored earlier.

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February 12th, 2019 12:00

Thanks for the post, I haven’t used the dellemc site. Ideally the SA versions for MS Store and Dell web-site should be the same. There is a reason why MS Store shows a different version but don’t know off the top of my head, either way the same version number will display in the control panel.

When I have issues with upgrades or installations I’ll go back to a clean install. The basic clean install would consist of:

Under Control Panel, the initial install will show about 10 MB, in the end after a successful install for version 3.1.0.142 should be 149 MB, could be higher.

We’ve also used the Use Microsoft tool to uninstall as well if having issues - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17588/fix-problems-that-block-programs-from-being-installed-or-removed

Services used and All should be running are:

Dell Data Vault Collector

Dell Data Vault Processor

Dell Data Vault Service API

Dell Hardware Support

Dell SupportAssist

If the following doesn’t work then something else may be going on and would need to view the Event Logs and SupportAssist logs but it may be best to contact support so they can remote into the system.

C:\ProgramData\SupportAssist\Client\Agent\logs\ApplicationLogs

If would be helpful to also have the event logs to view the errors on install

Event logs are available at –

Open Event Viewer -

Windows Logs - Application

Event Source = msiinstaller and SupportAssistAgent 

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February 13th, 2019 08:00

Hi Joe B,

Thanks for your elaborated advice.
I tried all possibilities, unfortunately none of them helped: when I launch the program the blue window with the SupportAssist wrench very shortly shows.
Note: Installing SupportAssist via the Dell EMC site -when it finds that I need to install it- is no longer possible as it blocks the tic mark (red stop sign) that I have read and agree to all terms and conditions. There are however notable differences between the Microsoft Store installation and your Dell links.

Additionally the Windows System log shows an interesting event each time I launch the service.

When Dell SupportAssist for PCs is installed from the Microsoft Store:
- its installed size is 51.0 MB (Settings\Apps & Features);
- the 5 services you mentioned are not available;
- the 3 folders/files you mentioned are not present;
- it is not found by the Microsoft tool to install/uninstall.
This may explain the difference in installed size for the different sources.

When Dell SupportAssist is installed from either of the Dell sources after the version from the Microsoft Store has been removed:
- its installed size is 146 MB for Dell SupportAssist and also 16.0KB for an additional SupportAssist Dell Inc app;
- the 5 services you mentioned are available and running;
- the 3 folders/files you mentioned are present;
- it is found by the Microsoft tool to address install/uninstall problems.

Each time I launch the service it generates a DistributedCOM error with event ID 10010 as shown below:
Note: I deleted my Security UserID from this listing.

Log Name: System
Source: Microsoft-Windows-DistributedCOM
Date: 13-2-2019 17:05:19
Event ID: 10010
Task Category: None
Level: Error
Keywords: Classic
User: OPTIPLEX-960-SF\Gebruiker
Computer: Optiplex-960-SFF
Description:
The server DellInc.DellSupportAssistforPCs_3.1.30.0_x86__htrsf667h5kn2!App did not register with DCOM within the required timeout.
Event Xml:
http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event">


10010
0
2
0
0
0x8080000000000000

6897


System
Optiplex-960-SFF



DellInc.DellSupportAssistforPCs_3.1.30.0_x86__htrsf667h5kn2!App

I also have the SupportAssist log available but can't include it in this posting because the total will exceed 20,000 characters.

Does this help?

Note: Before started this posting, I contacted Dell Support and gave them my service tag # but they said they could not support my system.

That is a bit strange because SupportAssist supports Optiplex PCs with Windows 10.

Thank you again,

Kind Regards,

CoS2

 

 

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February 13th, 2019 11:00

I'm not familiar with the DistributedCOM error

Could you try to open a cmd prompt as Administrator, navigate to the appropriate SupportAssist install path bin folder (example: “C:\Program Files\Dell\SupportAssistAgent\bin”)

type

cd\

cd C:\Program Files\Dell\SupportAssistAgent\bin

and execute command “SupportAssistUI.exe Launch”, no quotes

Did you look in Event Viewer with these event source

Open Event Viewer -

Windows Logs - Application

Filter on Event Source = msiinstaller and SupportAssistAgent

Are there any error messages in the logs

C:\ProgramData\SupportAssist\Client\Agent\logs\ApplicationLogs

Search for ERROR, call caps

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February 13th, 2019 12:00

Hi Joe B,

Thanks for your rapid response.

Unfortunately I will not be at home tomorrow and need tonight to prepare for that so I can't gather all data right now.

But you hit the nail on the head using the cmd prompt to start SupportAssist, that does the job!

But it only works using the cmd prompt, when I launch it directly from the File Explorer (even as Administrator), as I have tried many times before, it does not work.

Anyway, it looks promising.

I will upload the other data on Friday when I am back.

Kind Regards,

CoS2

 

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February 14th, 2019 15:00

Hi Joe B,

Just uploaded the requested data, answered your private mail and included my findings (for what they are worth..).

Seems there is a relation between 2 interesting items in the Windows System Log and the SupportAssist Log.

If you need more information, please let me know.

Regards,

CoS2

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February 18th, 2019 01:00

Hi Joe B,

For some reason my reply is blocked (Access denied). It looks as though there is something in the message that causes it.

So I made a screenshot.

Regards,

CoS2Denied Reply.png

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February 18th, 2019 11:00

"Test Reply"

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February 18th, 2019 11:00

Hi Chris M. and jbilinski,

Here is the second attempt, the 3 paths are shown in the attached message.

Earlier I had already put them between brackets but that did not help.

Hope it helps

Kind regards,

CoS2

Note: this seems to work: Autosaved at 11:56 AM.

Original (modified) message:

Hi Joe B,

Following the successful launch of SupportAssist by using the cmd prompt and entering the commands you provided, I was wondering whether I could devise a single shortcut to accomplish the same.

After some searching on the internet (see ref. below), I created a new shortcut "SupportAssist" on my desktop and gave it the following target: see screenshot "Path 1".

That shortcut properly launches the application. When the application is closed, the command window closes as well.

I also changed the icon (cmd screen) on my desktop via properties, Change Icon, Browse to see screenshot "Path 2" and opening the Dell_SupportAssistAgent icon.

So for the time being this seems to be a satisfactory solution.

Hope this is of some help.

Kind Regards,

CoS2

 

Screenshot (5).pngRef.: see screenshot "Path 3".

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February 18th, 2019 11:00

Hi Chris M. and jbilinski,

Received your "test reply". Will try to send my original blocked message again below. This part of the message has been autosaved.

Original message:

Sorry, don't know why but as soon as I copy it in this posting the green "Autosaved at …" is replaced by the red "Sorry, unable to complete the action you requested.", see the photo below.

It looks as though it has something to do with the paths shown in the message, so I will change the message to include paths 1, 2 and 3 and attach these in another screenshot.

Screenshot (4).png

 

29 Posts

February 18th, 2019 12:00

Correction 2: For: Earlier I had already put them between brackets but that did not help. Please read: Earlier I had already put them between quotation marks but that did not help. Thank you.

29 Posts

February 18th, 2019 12:00

Hi Chris M. and jbilinski,

Correction:

For:

Here is the second attempt, the 3 paths are shown in the attached message.

Please read:

Here is the second attempt, the 3 paths are shown in the attached Notepad screenshot.

Please note that the last line of the original message is on the RH-topside of the screenshot.

Thank you,

CoS2

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February 18th, 2019 12:00

Position of the last line of the original message is now under the screenshot......

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February 20th, 2019 11:00

Hi Joe B,

Please find below screenshot (11) which belongs to my most recent private mail answer (#9).

Kind Regards,

CoS2

Screenshot (11).png

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February 22nd, 2019 02:00

For my latest findings and temporary fix, see my posting subject "Dell Support site does not detect PC".

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