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April 15th, 2009 07:00

maxing out a DMX1000

Just wondering if anyone here has ran into a similar scenario.
when the customer originally purchased the DMX they used a mix of 146/300 GB drives and fully populated the box. Now they realized that they probably will be running out of space soon and due to flooring/electrical constraints they won't be able to upgrade to something like a DMX2/DMX3. So what kind of option do they have? would it be possible to swap out the 146GB drives with 300GB? the sym currently have only 4TB of unconfigured space and 3TB of unmapped usable.

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April 15th, 2009 07:00

I guess the easy way is moving data out of 146Gb drives to a temporary storage (either supplied by EMC or something you already have in datacenter) using SRDF or Open Replicator, then remove all 146 drives at the same time, replacing them with 300Gb drives. Considere that the new (bigger) raw capacity may require more cache (thus probably you'll need also a cache upgrade). When you replaced all old 146 drives with brand new 300gb drives you can move data back to their original location (the DMX1000) using -again- SRDF or OR.

Not an easy task indeed!

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April 15th, 2009 07:00

yeah that's sort of what I had been thinking, the big problem is the "temp storage" :P we do have another DMX1000 but it only has about 8TB free. does it make sense for me to start finding out how many devices were created using hypers on the 146GB drives? Great tip about the cache, I haven't thought about that. just checked out all the V-max presentation yesterday...man, if only that came out a few years back, we won't have this problem to deal with now :P Thanks stefano!

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April 15th, 2009 08:00

Funny, I just said the same thing about the V-Max in another thread. I've got DMX3 on the floor, but still running into issues similar (but different) to yours. If only those DMX3s were V-Max we wouldn't have a problem!

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April 16th, 2009 01:00

You are welcome :-)

Thus your issue is with temp storage ?? Go ask your sales rep a quote .. you can always ask EMC to lease you a storage while moving data around .. ;-)

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April 16th, 2009 02:00

The easier way to find devices on 146Gb drives is to obtain a list of drives in different disk groups and later use symdev filtering its output by diskgroup.

# symdisk -sid xxx list -by_diskgroup

# symdev -sid xxx -diskgroup Y list

:D

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April 16th, 2009 05:00

V-MAX for president ;)

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April 16th, 2009 08:00

I've just done something similar
we used Optimizer - Manual Swaps ,to move data onto different physical disks, thus eventually freeing up those disks, then swapping the empty ones with 300GB drives, and starting the process again until all are swapped over.

You have to create "dummy" devices first, then obviously just delete the dummy when swap is complete.

Done on 2 x DMX1000
1 we swapped 96 drives, the other 66.
It's taken ages, but has worked.

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April 16th, 2009 12:00

Thanks man, yup you read my mind, I used those commands yesterday to generate the following numbers

SYMM A (7.3 TB free)
# of 146GB drives = 72

Configured/used space across those drives = 6 TB (got this by subtracting the unconfigured space on the drive from it's formated size then added everything together, also subtracted available mapped/unmapped devices)

planning to replace them with 500GB drives so that comes out to be 72 x 500GB = 35TB additional RAW storage

SYMM B (9.4TB free)
# of 146GB drives = 84

Configured/used space across those drives = 5.5 TB
84 x 500 = 41TB additional RAW storage

unfortunately due to facility constraints we won't be able to put any more racks and borrow temp storage

so if we were to use something like OR, would it be something like this?

-copy 146GB luns from SYMM B to SYMM A
-swap the drives out on SYMM A, copy the data back from SYMM B (this time it would include both SYMM A and SYMM B data since there would be plenty of space now)
-swap out the drive on SYMM B, copy its data back from SYMM A

we also have static SRDF devices on those 146GB drives which will add to the headaches. So I have read some of OR documentation, as I understand it, it copies the data over the SAN fabric. But out of curiosity, could this be used to copy devices on the same symm or does it have to go to a remote symm.


Splodge
thanks for the comment are you referring to symmreix Optimizer? please direct me to some relevant documentation on how you did your manual swap, Thanks!

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April 17th, 2009 04:00

jliu2

Yes - Symmetrix Optimizer.
There are some white papers on Powerlink to do with Symmetrix Optimizer.
Also if you read the Symmetrix Optimizer Manuals (either under Solutions Enabler or ControlCenter) that will help.
The sections on the "migrate" option explain it, but I don't think the migrate option will work on the DMX1000 (wrong code level).
You can do it 4 ways. (in no particular order)
1 - CLI
2 - ControlCenter
3 - SMC
4 - Optimizer on the Service Processor.
Not all Hypers can be "swapped" (e.g BCV,DRV,SFS,VCMDB, anything unprotected)

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April 17th, 2009 07:00

I'll check it out, thanks man
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