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Studio XPS 435T, upgrade options?

Hello,

My father recently gave me his Dell Studio XPS 435T that he had sitting around his house.

Is there anything I can do to make this a useful computer? I'd like to use it for Adobe Creative Cloud as well as minimal gaming on Steam. 

It's running Vista, so I know I need to update it to windows 10. Here are some more specs for it:

  • Intel i7 CPU 2.67GHz
  • 5GB RAM
  • 64 bit operating system

Any information is greatly appreciated!

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If you want to run newer platform upgrade this model by maxing out the Ram for Precision T3500 and then upgrading to much newer XEON. It also supports 2 video cards and has 525W power supply.  So when gpus get back to not crazy expensive you can use them OR transfer your GPU from your 435T.  Hard drives etc can also be transferred.  I recommend getting OEM win 10 dvd for reinstalls.  You can use the WIN7 COA key to activate WIN10 home or Pro.

The Intel Xeon X5670 is workstation processor with 6 cores, launched in March 2010. It is part of the Xeon lineup, using the Westmere-EP architecture with Socket 1366. Thanks to Intel Hyper-Threading the core-count is effectively doubled, to 12 threads.  SLBV7 6.4 GTS QPI

DDR3 PC3-12800 • CL=11 • Unbuffered • NON-ECC • DDR3-1600 • 1.35V • 512Meg x 64 •

https://www.crucial.com/compatible-upgrade-for/dell/precision-workstation-t3500#memory

Ram for these models is interchangeable when you get DDR3 12800 1.35v low density ram.

These are not expensive systems

https://www.ebay.com/itm/233440563301

https://www.ebay.com/itm/384197393049

DELL DPN: XPDFK Precision Workstation T3500 Motherboard

Supported Processors:

Intel Xeon 6-Core (X5670, X5650),

Intel Xeon Quad Core (W3550, W3565, W3530, E5640, E5630, E5507),

Intel Xeon Dual Core (W3505, W3503),

Intel Xeon (W3680)

X5670 is more than 5x faster than the Core I7 9XX series.

Any ole joes crab shack ram isnt compatible.  If you get it from cruical or from dell its guaranteed to be compatible.  The speed you need depends on which cpu you have and its FSB.  Ranks count also you cannot mix single rank and 2 rank and 4 rank ram.  Its not required but being all from the same vendor for the sets of 3 helps. There are also xeon processors that the 3500 motherboard supports that do not support ECC ram. Quad Rank ram isn't supported at all whether ecc or not. This is why max ram is 24 gigs not 48 gigs.

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It should work fine:

https://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/04/product-support/product/studio-xps-9000/manuals

With an Intel-i7 and x58-chipset, sounds a lot like my old Aurora-R1 . However, these days, it has a bootable SATA-SSD, and GTX-1070 . It's always had 12gb RAM. My machine can run Creatrive Cloud all day long (including Premier).

Take another look at the memory. It's tri-channel, so I'm guessing it's 6gb (not 5).

I would not spend much on it. Only buy things for it that you can use in another machine later (like a SATA-SSD). You can buy newer-model refurbished or off-lease OptiPlexes towers with an included Windows-7 Pro license (that will upgrade to Windows-10 Pro 64bit for free) for $150.  


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I have this machine (Dell Studio XPS 435T/9000).  Mine is running a 6 core processor overclocked to 3.85 GHz, 48 GB memory, a GTX 970 graphics card and several SSDs - all on the original Power Supply.

Options I'd consider for your machine might be:

- Windows 10 upgrade

- Add 12 GB memory.  Since memory modules must be matched in threes and it has 6 slots, your config would likely be 3 x 1 GB (existing) plus 3 x 4 GB (new) modules.  This would give a total of 15 GB, which would be reasonable for Adobe Creative Cloud.  4 GB modules are about $27 a piece, so about $80 total.  (Machine will handle 8 GB modules, so you can go up to 6 x 8 GB or 48 GB total, but memory is expensive these days.)

- Upgrade processor for higher speed and/or more cores.  I'm assuming you currently have the i7-920, which is 4 cores at 2.66 GHz.  Intel Xeons are relatively cheap second-hand and work fine in the 435T.  CPUs I'd consider and approximate prices on eBay (caveat emptor on Seller, etc., of course):

  • Xeon W3690, 6 cores, 3.46 GHz, Unlocked (can be overclocked), $90 (this is the processor I have)
  • Xeon W3680, 6 cores, 3.33 GHz, Unlocked (can be overclocked), $50
  • Xeon W3580, 4 cores, 3.33 GHz, Unlocked (can be overclocked), $25
  • Xeon W3570, 4 cores, 3.2 GHz, Unlocked (can be overclocked), $20

For a more complete CPU list, see Studio XPS 435T / 9000 compatible processor list thread.  Overclocking can vary, but would likely add 0.266 to 0.399 GHz to the above speeds (although the overclocking would likely throttle after a few minutes of full load).

Following upgrades would likely also be compatible with any future machine:

- Graphics card.  You can probably go up to a GTX 1070 with the original PSU if you pick a card with low default wattage and base clock.  Up to $400.

- A SSD drive for the Windows OS for better responsiveness.

Whether to upgrade and how much to spend is up to you.

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@Techgee wrote:

I have this machine (Dell Studio XPS 435T/9000).  Mine is running a 6 core processor overclocked to 3.85 GHz, 48 GB memory, a GTX 970 graphics card and several SSDs - all on the original Power Supply.

Options I'd consider for your machine might be:

- Windows 10 upgrade

- Add 12 GB memory.  Since memory modules must be matched in threes and it has 6 slots, your config would likely be 3 x 1 GB (existing) plus 3 x 4 GB (new) modules.  This would give a total of 15 GB, which would be reasonable for Adobe Creative Cloud.  4 GB modules are about $27 a piece, so about $80 total.  (Machine will handle 8 GB modules, so you can go up to 6 x 8 GB or 48 GB total, but memory is expensive these days.)

- Upgrade processor for higher speed and/or more cores.  I'm assuming you currently have the i7-920, which is 4 cores at 2.66 GHz.  Intel Xeons are relatively cheap second-hand and work fine in the 435T.  CPUs I'd consider and approximate prices on eBay (caveat emptor on Seller, etc., of course):

  • Xeon W3690, 6 cores, 3.46 GHz, Unlocked (can be overclocked), $90 (this is the processor I have)
  • Xeon W3680, 6 cores, 3.33 GHz, Unlocked (can be overclocked), $50
  • Xeon W3580, 4 cores, 3.33 GHz, Unlocked (can be overclocked), $25
  • Xeon W3570, 4 cores, 3.2 GHz, Unlocked (can be overclocked), $20

For a more complete CPU list, see Studio XPS 435T / 9000 compatible processor list thread.  Overclocking can vary, but would likely add 0.266 to 0.399 GHz to the above speeds (although the overclocking would likely throttle after a few minutes of full load).

Following upgrades would likely also be compatible with any future machine:

- Graphics card.  You can probably go up to a GTX 1070 with the original PSU if you pick a card with low default wattage and base clock.  Up to $400.

- A SSD drive for the Windows OS for better responsiveness.

Whether to upgrade and how much to spend is up to you.


How fast are your SATA SSDs running? Did you figure out a way to get SATA-3/600 speeds or better on a machine with Intel-x58 chipset? Of course, it would need to be bootable.


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Tesla1856,

I found lots of options to go beyond the SATA II / 3.0 Gbps drive limitation of the 435T, but the quandary is that beyond the graphics slot, it only has a single PCIe 2.x slot - the x8 one.  The PCIe 1.x x1 slots are worthless, bandwidth wise.  I don't want to cut off future expandability, including:

  • USB 3.1 Gen 2 (10 Gbit/s) and USB 3.2 (20 Gbit/s)
  • [e]SATA III / 6.0 Gbps
  • NVMe (all flavors of SSD, as well as non-SSD NVMe/PCIe devices)

I'd like the one slot to support all of the above.

Note with regard to bandwidth a PCIe 2.x channel operates at 5GT/s.  So, a x8 card would have up to 40 GT/s available to it.  Likewise, a x4 card could theoretically utilize up to 20 GT/s.  Ideally, I'd like a solution that can max out the x8 slot's 40 GT/s bandwidth.

Options are:

  1. A combo card.  However, these seem to only be available at a reasonable price in a x4 card - I don't really see any x8 options.  There are USB 3.1 Gen 2 (10 Gbit/s) and [e]SATA III (6 Gbps) combo x4 cards.  Typically, one USB 3.1 Gen 2 device and one SATA III device would be supported at full bandwidth, additional devices would share the bandwidth.
  2. A straight USB 3.1 Gen 2 or USB 3.2 (not available yet) card.  Again, I don't see any x8 options.  I have seen x4 cards supporting full, dedicated USB 3.1 Gen 2 speed (10 Gbit/s) for 2 devices (with extra devices sharing the bandwidth).  SATA and NVMe could be supported by enclosures that connect via USB.
  3. A PCIe "switch card" that reconfigures channels to allow (2) x4 cards to be attached to the x8 slot in the desktop.  This would add flexibility to support (2) x4 cards - say one with USB 3.x (or USB/SATA combo) and another with a straight NVMe/PCIe x4 SSD.  x8 cards are available with 2 NVMe/PCIe M.2 slots for 2 NVMe/PCIe SSDs.  Cabling a male NVMe/PCIe x4 M.2 to female desktop PCIe x4 connector might allow a traditional PCIe x4 card to be connected in place of the NVMe/PCIe SSD.

Solutions I've read about to boot off the above are:

  • Select a device with a Legacy BIOS Option ROM that the BIOS would see as bootable.  Some SSDs and PCIe cards have this.
  • Use a bootloader that loads up drivers, etc. needed for the boot device.  For example, I believe DUET/Clover bootloaders provide a UEFI interface and NVMe/SSD protocol on top of a legacy BIOS.

Anyway, I haven't pulled the trigger on this upgrade yet, but it's definitely doable...

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@Techgee wrote:

Tesla1856,

I found lots of options to go beyond the SATA II / 3.0 Gbps drive limitation of the 435T, but the quandary is that beyond the graphics slot, it only has a single PCIe 2.x slot - the x8 one.  The PCIe 1.x x1 slots are worthless, bandwidth wise.  I don't want to cut off future expandability, including:

  • USB 3.1 Gen 2 (10 Gbit/s) and USB 3.2 (20 Gbit/s)
  • [e]SATA III / 6.0 Gbps
  • NVMe (all flavors of SSD, as well as non-SSD NVMe/PCIe devices)

I'd like the one slot to support all of the above.

Note with regard to bandwidth a PCIe 2.x channel operates at 5GT/s.  So, a x8 card would have up to 40 GT/s available to it.  Likewise, a x4 card could theoretically utilize up to 20 GT/s.  Ideally, I'd like a solution that can max out the x8 slot's 40 GT/s bandwidth.

Options are:

  1. A combo card.  However, these seem to only be available at a reasonable price in a x4 card - I don't really see any x8 options.  There are USB 3.1 Gen 2 (10 Gbit/s) and [e]SATA III (6 Gbps) combo x4 cards.  Typically, one USB 3.1 Gen 2 device and one SATA III device would be supported at full bandwidth, additional devices would share the bandwidth.
  2. A straight USB 3.1 Gen 2 or USB 3.2 (not available yet) card.  Again, I don't see any x8 options.  I have seen x4 cards supporting full, dedicated USB 3.1 Gen 2 speed (10 Gbit/s) for 2 devices (with extra devices sharing the bandwidth).  SATA and NVMe could be supported by enclosures that connect via USB.
  3. A PCIe "switch card" that reconfigures channels to allow (2) x4 cards to be attached to the x8 slot in the desktop.  This would add flexibility to support (2) x4 cards - say one with USB 3.x (or USB/SATA combo) and another with a straight NVMe/PCIe x4 SSD.  x8 cards are available with 2 NVMe/PCIe M.2 slots for 2 NVMe/PCIe SSDs.  Cabling a male NVMe/PCIe x4 M.2 to female desktop PCIe x4 connector might allow a traditional PCIe x4 card to be connected in place of the NVMe/PCIe SSD.

Solutions I've read about to boot off the above are:

  • Select a device with a Legacy BIOS Option ROM that the BIOS would see as bootable.  Some SSDs and PCIe cards have this.
  • Use a bootloader that loads up drivers, etc. needed for the boot device.  For example, I believe DUET/Clover bootloaders provide a UEFI interface and NVMe/SSD protocol on top of a legacy BIOS.

Anyway, I haven't pulled the trigger on this upgrade yet, but it's definitely doable...


Thanks for the reply.

My Aurora-R6 is nice, but I still have my Aurora-R1 (Intel-i7-930, x58-chipset, 12gb ram, Nvidia GTX-1070, SSD) in service.

https://www.dell.com/community/Alienware-General-Read-Only/Recommended-NVIDIA-graphics-cards-for-Ali...

A while back, I used the available PCIe-x1-slot for a 2-port USB-3.0 card (works nice). For a machine of this age, I think "that's good" as far as newer ports go. I still have a final PCIe-x16-slot available for one final addin card.

While a (bootable) NVMe card would be nice, I don't think that is happening since these systems are non-UEFI. But even if we settled for a (bootable) PCIe SATA-port card, it's SATA-3/600 would still be twice-as-fast as the SATA-2/300 we are limited to now. Seems to me that doubling the transfer speed of the main bootable Windows-10 drive would be a nice final upgrade for this machine.

Even if it's demoted eventually, it would still make a nice general-use computer for someone or a nice Kodi/Plex/Living-Room-Casual-Gamer box.

 


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Tesla1856,

Booting from NVMe PCIe M.2 SSDs on X58 machines with a non-UEFI BIOS like the 435T has already been done.

I've been waiting until (or if) NVMe PCIe M.2 adapter PCIe cards with multiple NVMe SSD slots and PCIe lane bifurcation/switching support become available at a reasonable price (since it's required for multiple NVMe SSDs and the 435T motherboard doesn't have it). 

Serendipitously, I came across something that might serve this purpose.  If it does, I might be able to come up with a solution for the 435T that supports all of the following:

  • USB 3.1 Gen 2 (10 Gbit/s), with upgrade path to USB 3.2 (20 Gbit/s) when it's available
  • SATA III (6 Gbps) - bootable, multiple SSDs/HDs
  • NVMe PCIe SSDs - bootable, multiple SSDs

Each of the above separately (except the multiple NVMe SSDs part) I'm pretty sure I could get working on the 435T, but if I can have them all I might pull the trigger on this...

 

EDIT:  Everything listed above I now have working in the Dell XPS 435T/9000 with the exception of internal SATA III which I've abandoned due to advances in M.2 NVMe SSDs (although I now have a full speed SATA III USB drive enclosure working).  Links on Dell's forums below:

  • USB 3.1 Gen 2 upgrade, including a full performance SATA III enclosure and M.2 NVMe SSD enclosure, with performance results here.
  • M.2 NVMe SSD boot drive (requires a Samsung 950 PRO) here.
  • How I bifurcated the x8 PCIe motherboard slot into (4) M.2 NVMe slots here.

Finally, I added a M.2 NVMe to PCIe x4 Riser Card cable available from here and elsewhere (I used R42SR model in 15cm length - note power must be supplied to the 4-pin white connector on the riser) so the USB 3.1 Gen 2 PCIe add-in card can be inserted into one of the (4) M.2 NVMe slots.  The riser with USB 3.1 Gen 2 PCIe card is just "loose" and hangs outside the case with cover off for now - I have a nicer mounting solution - just haven't implemented it yet.

So, I now have Windows 10 booting and running on a M.2 NVMe Samsung 950 PRO 512GB, (2) M.2 NVMe SSD data drives (a Samsung PM981 1TB and Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB) - all at ~1700 MB/s, plus USB 3.1 Gen 2 capable of running at ~800 MB/s.

 

UPDATE:  I'm now able to chain boot to Windows 10 version 1903 on the Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB using Clover 5070 to provide UEFI boot support.  So far, this is just with a single slot M.2 NVMe SSD PCIe adapter card - haven't tried it with the quad M.2 slot card mentioned above.  Now, instead of only being able to use the older Samsung 950 as boot drive, I should be able to install and run Windows 10 on any M.2 NVMe SSD!

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I have this same type of desktop, for now i´m only looking to upgrade the ram memory, up to 15 gb, which type of memory and if someone can give me a link to buy it.. 

Thanks for your help, 


Reynaldo

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I assume you have (3) 1GB sticks and are looking to add (3) 4GB sticks to bring your total memory to 15GB.

I've used both Crucial Ballistic Sport and Kingston HyperX in my Studio XPS 435T/9000.  If I was buying new 4GB sticks I'd get 3 of the Ballistic Sport's, for example from here or here.  About $35 a piece.

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I do in fact have 6 dimm of 1gb each, for a total of 6GB actually. thanks for your help

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