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November 17th, 2020 06:00
Motherboard failure - inaccurate/false information from tech support
My Dell XPS 15 9570 just died. Sadly the warranty (one year) is over (1 year due) and the guarantee will cost me money (at least 100 EUR for the diagnostics).
Here is what I've done so far:
- unplugged the AC power brick and removed the battery
- plugged the AC power brick back in after waiting for a couple of minutes before trying to press the power button
- unplugged the AC power brick and used the battery only to see if something powers up
My notebook shows no sign of any life in terms of fans spinning, lights or noise. I checked the power brick via a digital multimeter and it shows 19.8V going into the notebook. I even checked the power rail where the DC In cable goes out of the power jack and into the motherboard. I also checked the power rail that goes into the battery (shows approx. 12V). I can keep checking here and there but I'm no expert so my inexperienced diagnosis is a failed motherboard.
I contacted the tech support of Dell and after almost 18min of waiting my call came through (I'm in Germany so I contacted the tech support in Germany). The lady told me that such failure is covered by the customer especially since the warranty has expired. For diagnostics (which is required before choosing what to do next) I have to pay 100 EUR or so. I am unwilling to do that and for now I will look into local services that can help me out.
What I found surprising and highly inaccurate or even untrue are two things I was told:
- After stating that I would like to replace the motherboard myself I asked much the part will cost (mind the fact that the motherboard has also the CPU and GPU on it, which unlike a desktop PC are very difficult to remove and put back on due to the way these are attached) and I was told 180 EUR. I asked multiple times (her German was not that good) and even exclaimed in surprise that it's so cheap. I checked on various websites including parts-people.com and for the part with number F3DC8, which she gave me, the price is around 600 USD, which will probably mean around 700 EUR given the deal most EU countries get on PC parts in general. So my question is how much does the part cost?!
- After that I told her that the diagnostics is too expensive and I would like to replace the motherboard myself. She told me that the part can be find in the online shop. Needless to say I made a comment here too that such parts are normally not found in the online shop of OEMs. She said that it is available. After the conversation was over I checked by entering the part number and of course no results were found.
Even her email, where she send me that part number, is confusing. I told her I don't want to use Dell's service due to costs, shipment and how long it would take for all that to go back and forth. In her mail she says that after the workshop diagnoses the problem (again - I DO NOT WANT TO USE THE DELL'S WORKSHOP!) I need to give the part number F3DC8.
I am now looking into contacting the repair workshop from there (the closest one to where I live in Germany) to see what the heck is going on. I found some information at https://www.dell.com/support/article/en-us/sln284409/so-veranlassen-sie-eine-reparatur-ihres-dell-systems-nach-ablauf-des-service but I am yet to find direct communication channel with them. I fear I need to call tech support again...I have the feeling such companies intentionally hire people, who barely speak the local language, just to avoid supporting their customers. Absolutely horrible attitude! I would get the motherboard failing right after purchase, which would indicate faulty part, but this is after the warranty has expired (how convenient) and in a machine that cost me 1600 EUR. If the motherboard indeed costs 600 EUR I would rather buy a second hand notebook than pay for this nonsense.


ejn63
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November 17th, 2020 08:00
In the US, the boards run between just under $400 for an i5 and integrated video to over $600 for an i9 with nVidia video. The boards will be similarly expensive in Europe, as they effectively contain everything inside the system except for the RAM and storage drive.
It's a steep price, but start pricing mainboards for washing machines, refrigerators or automobiles - which are far simpler -- and you quickly learn that the integration of functions on a small system board has its downside, and that's repair cost.
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November 17th, 2020 13:00
It looks like a schematic for your system board is available -- and repairing without one is very difficult.
http://laptop-schematics.com/
rbaleksandar
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November 17th, 2020 13:00
Thanks for the reply.
I guessed as much but I am wondering what that price was that the tech support gave me. Maybe with the poor language skills the person on the phone understood what the labour for the replacement will cost (even though I stated I want to know the price of the part multiple times plus the fact I want to do it myself).
I've decided to try and sell my notebook's parts and just build a PC. In the mean time I will just buy a used ThinkPad for 200-300 EUR. If I pay 600-700 EUR for a motherboard (that may as well fail quite soon given how long the last one lived) my Dell XPS would be made out of gold (over 2000 EUR). I prefer to not repair it and "waste" what I've already invested then invest more money just for things to go bad again and leave me with an ever more expensive paperweight. I will use this motherboard to explore how it works. Love to watch Louis Rossmann's videos on such repairs, might as well give it a shot. Not loosing anything really but might gain some nice experience.
rbaleksandar
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March 11th, 2021 03:00
The motherboard is sold (by Dell) for 150 EUR...with strings attached.
As it turns out they wanted to replace half of my laptop so the price spike to 400 EUR incl. repairs, which I said I don't want since it involves formatting my storage.
While learning how to fix it I will keep an eye for cheap used ThinkPads. Never ever in my life am I going to buy a new notebook and a notebook for more than 200-300 EUR. If I had the money, I would have gone to court for this. I have emails, pretty sure they have our phone calls recorded. Plenty of evidence. I remember that video on tech support by Linus Tech Tips and the piece on Dell. They try to push services you don't want, they try to change things that are easy to fix (e.g. corrosion on the metal case in my case - can easily be removed with baking soda that costs cents at the local supermarket). I am absolutely appalled by how poorly they treat their customers.
Also apparently senior tech supports don't know what their workshop is actually providing as a service. Only diagnostics on the surface level, no detailed check on which components actually are affected. I literally had a senior tech support member call me on the phone and when I asked that I want to know what exactly is wrong with the DC jack (since they claimed it was damaged) I was told that they need to check. Couple of minutes later a mail came in: sorry, we cannot provide this information. Our workshop does only diagnostic work. This rendered our phone conversation complete BS.