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May 3rd, 2019 10:00

X51 R2, GTX 1650 GPU?

Hi there!

My AMD Radeon R9 270X just died by the hand of the famous Black Screen. So, obviously I can't run a decent game with the onboard Nvidia.

I wanted to ask you guys if someone already tried the new GTX 1650 and if it worth it.

My budget can't afford a GTX 1060 right now... I think that the relation quality-price may be work.

 

If it worth it, do you recommend the Asus version?
https://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/DUAL-GTX1650-O4G/

or the Zotac version?

https://www.zotac.com/us/product/graphics_card/zotac-gaming-geforce-gtx-1650-oc

 

I know that I need a single fan GPU.

 

My set is:
X51 R2

I7 4790 - 3.6 Ghz

16 gb ram

 

Thanks!

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May 3rd, 2019 10:00

1. There is no onboard NVIDIA.
2. You can't use anything Higher than Pascal based cards.
3. 330W power brick is max power So thats a Limit.

https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Adapter-DA330PM111-ADP-330AB-332-1432/dp/B00CGA5JQM/

4. GTX 1660 TI is a 300W card with 8 PIN Power Connector.

There is not enough overall Power to run this card in an X51.

These DELL cards should work fine with the 330W brick

DVP9W Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050 Ti,  4GB, 75w
36V90 Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060, 3GB, 120w
24K8H Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050,  2GB 75w
8CCF1 Nvidia GeForce GT 1030, 30w
1MPR3 AMD R9-360 2GB, 75w
24K8H Nvidia GTX 1050 2GB, 75w

Gigabyte Windforce RX460 may also work.

 

EVGA 1660 TIEVGA 1660 TI

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

GTX 1050 TI MINI works fine.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500411

This 1060 Might work YMMV. EVGA 03G-P4-6162-KR GTX 1060

https://www.amazon.com/Evga-Gaming-Graphics-Card-03G-P4-6162-KR/dp/B01L31DAQK

This one might also work  YMMV

https://www.amazon.com/PNY-GeForce-Overclocked-Graphics-VCGGTX10606XGPB-OC/dp/B01L9K8X26

 

 

 

300W cards use 1 8 pin and 1 6 pin300W cards use 1 8 pin and 1 6 pin300W cards use 1 8 pin and 1 6 pin

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

6-pin power connector can supply 75 Watts to the graphics card. So if your graphics card power consumption is more than 75W then it will have one 6-pin PCI-E power. A graphics card with one 6-pin power connector can get maximum of 150 Watt as it will get 75W from the PCI Express x16 slot and 75W from the 6-pin connector. Having an 8 pin is equivalent of 2 x 6 PIN. So  8 pin IS 75 + 75 + 75 from the slot. That's 225w and that's also what the PCI-E power spec says.

 

Graphics Card Power Consumption in Watts

PCI Express x16

6-Pin Connector

8-Pin Connector

Total Power

75W

75W

75W

1 x 75W

150W

75W

1 x 150W

225W

75W

2 x 75W

225W

75W

1 x 75W

1 x 150W

300W

75W

2 x 150W

375W

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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May 4th, 2019 11:00

Thanks for your answer!

1. Sorry, I meant Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600 (Onboard)

2. Whyy??? I think this is "Turing" based.

3. I already have the 330W power brick.

4. I was talking about the new "GTX 1650". It has a Power Consumption of 75w and a Recommended Power Supply of 300w like a GTX 1050.
1060 is too expensive for me and I was looking something at least slightly better than AMD R9 270 and not that old.

I saw that 2 fans GPU will keep the heat inside the case, so I need a GPU with 1 fan.

I just took out the AMD R9 270 and had 2 6-pin connectors plugged (to an 8-pin cable thing on the energy board)

The first link form Asus was wrong. I meant this one:

https://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/PH-GTX1650-O4G/overview/

Should this work?

PS: I live in Argentina so it's not that easy to get price-quality things...

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May 9th, 2019 04:00

Nevermind. I just found a good deal on this one you said. I think I can reach it. And the difference is very significant. This 1060 Might work YMMV. EVGA 03G-P4-6162-KR GTX 1060 https://www.amazon.com/Evga-Gaming-Graphics-Card-03G-P4-6162-KR/dp/B01L31DAQK Thanks!

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May 9th, 2019 05:00

the wiki covers watts here, TDP (card watt max ,) "D" for display card price and FPS are your decisions, not ours. learn what a power budget is first then pick a card and PSU that matches that, easy no, if not ask. see TDP column (this is display watts, not the bogus watts some tell you , for PSU, ok) all you needs is this one page, to pick a Nvidia car, not having to read 100+ product spec pages, no. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units

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December 29th, 2019 03:00

Hi 

I am late to the party and reading this for the first time. 
I have an X51 R2 i5-4460 and I would like to upgrade my 750ti to a 1650. But you mention that I can’t go above a pascal card... 

Is this a limitation with the motherboard or something? I will go to the 1050ti if I have to but the 1650 is only slightly more expensive. 
Thanks for your help

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December 29th, 2019 05:00

it's no party,  you be hyjacking  OP post.

post full spec on current PC what PSU?

what cards are inside now,?

what video port type needed (display port?)

  • it has to fit first, card to slot.?
  • not over load the slot, 1/2height PCs or SFF.?
  • not overload the PSU.
  • not go nuts with UEFI contentions is using UEFI at all. (learn how to deal with UEFI is using UEFI.)

why not look here see what others did. click the link and read.(ive posted this endless times now)

X51 R2  (circa 2013 made) 7 years old.  even pre w8.?

4000+ users of that PC with vast cards tried, endless list that long, no?

even RTX2070 runs here with real PSU. keep in mind all cards you see there the posted had a REAL PSU.

700w is best , with single rail, (modern) mine is 62amps 12v rail and 25a each on 5v/3.3  (standby who cares)

run a modern PSU, and win!

 

the list is not rumors, like your Pascal myth. read it carefully, ok,,,

I have tested my 1650 turing on all dells here and all run. even old 790.

the only card that fails my old 790(lab test PC) is GTX295 due to dual GPU inside BIOS in PC locks up, then with GTX275 single, GPU chip inside (sister to above) works prefect.  DELL does fail on some cards we know that.

are you CURRENT on BIOS upgrades?

 

 

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December 29th, 2019 10:00

Thanks for your speedy reply. 

I have the SFF X51 R2. 

i5-4460, 8gb DDR3 RAM (1600 MHz), 1TB HDD, current gpu is 750ti. 

External psu / ac adapter is 240W.

This is all as supplied by Dell when I purchased the pc at the end of 2014. I have changed nothing. 

All working fine. But now I want to make a few upgrades - 8 gb RAM to 16gb. HDD to SDD, and most importantly 750ti to ...? I think the 1650 would be best, but will settle on the 1050ti if necessary - neither need additional power above the pci, and both are probably a good maximum match for the cpu without bottlenecking. 

Happy to upgrade the psu to the 330W max I can get, as required. The 750ti is apparently 60W, both the 1650 and 1050ti are 75W. Not a massive difference but will upgrade the psu just to be safe (240W seems very low...).

Assuming it physically fits, can the X51 R2 take the 1650 gpu? Is it  compatible? The post above states that the R2 can’t go higher than a Pascal card...

Thanks

 

 

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December 29th, 2019 12:00


@Banthan wrote:

 

I have the a 5-year-old SFF (no breathing room) X51 R2. 

i5-4460, 8gb DDR3 RAM (1600 MHz), 1TB HDD (not a SSD yet), current gpu is 750ti. 

External psu / ac adapter is 240W.

 


The items is bold make this a poor upgrade candidate.

IF it works (read the uncertain tone) 100% (including during max/gaming) ... you will still just have an out-dated machine that you just spent a lot of money upgrading.

IMO, (in your case here) ... better to put that money toward a new one.

 

 

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December 31st, 2019 01:00

Thanks for your reply. 
Regarding the below:-

I have the a 5-year-old SFF (no breathing room) X51 R2. 

It is what it is, and the size is the size. There isn’t much room but I can fit a mini card in there and the air circulation is actually ok (ish). It’s 5 years old, again that is what it is, hence the reason I am upgrading.

i5-4460, 8gb DDR3 RAM (1600 MHz), 1TB HDD (not a SSD yet), current gpu is 750ti. 
The i5-4460 isn’t so bad, and certainly exceeds the current GPU. It is definitely enough CPU to run with a 1050ti or 1650 without any bottleneck. Perhaps even a 1060.

External psu / ac adapter is 240W

This is being upgraded to 330W. Given that my current system has run fine for 5 years at 240W with the 750ti (60W) I see no reason why it won’t now run a 1050ti or 1650 (both 75W, and both state 300W total required).

A friend of mine is supplying me with 16gb ram, an SSD and a 330W power supply - all free of charge - and so the only component I need to purchase myself is the GPU.

I understand your reasoning that an upgrade isn’t worth it, but actually it really is.

So,,, to my original question...

Will the X51 R2 actually take the 1650, or am I limited to Pascal cards, as suggested above? And if so, why is this?

Thank you for your help.

 

 

December 31st, 2019 10:00

TL, DR? The GTX 1650 works absolutely perfectly for the Alienware X51 R2

I'm super late to this party, but I want everyone on the internet to know that the Zotac 1650 OC my wife got me for Christmas fits perfectly in the Alienware X51 R2, and runs like a dream. My FPS is so high in counterstrike that I am taking full advantage of a 240hz monitor. I usually play Modern Warfare and Fallout 76, and when I really pump up the settings the i5-4460 seems to bottleneck right about the same time the gpu does, so I would say this is really the perfect upgrade for the case. The card does minimum spec for 300watts so I bought the 330w power supply, but it seemed to run on the original 240 watt one just fine before I swapped it. 

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January 2nd, 2020 00:00

Super!

Thank you for confirming this!

Best regards

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January 11th, 2020 01:00

Ok, so based on the above I bought the Zotac OC 1650.
And guess what?

It fits in the slot fine, and it works a-ok. I had to download GeForce Experience for the correct drivers to install, but once done, everything is fine. 
I haven’t even upgraded from the 240W psu yet (although I will) and if still works. 
For the tiny X51 R2 case with its limited power supply, the Nvidia 1650 is perfect!

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January 12th, 2020 09:00

AMD RX series cards as well as NVIDIA RTX Series cards like 1650 require UEFI BIOS which the R2 does not have.  MSDOS VESA Video mode 103 is not supported on UEFI based cards.

Earlier Radeon HD series work fine as do Pascal Based NVIDIA like the GTX 1060.

There isnt a power supply INSIDE of an X51 they use external 330W max power brick.

The video slot is NOT FULL Size for the X51

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epCx8IjLCS4

To use 330W power supply you MUST HAVE D85RT power board from X51 R2 or later.

https://www.alienowners.com/threads/x51-r1-power-board-replacement-r1-vfhmm-with-r2-d85rt.6325/

 

 

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May 14th, 2020 23:00

See it’s this kind of post from speedstep that annoys me, and just causes unnecessary confusion. 

The Nvidia 1650 is a GTX card, not RTX. Here’s Nvidia’s own website confirming this:-

https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/graphics-cards/gtx-1650/

Your comment that states “NVIDIA RTX Series cards like 1650...” is just plain wrong!

 

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