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December 5th, 2010 09:00

Connecting 2 sans

I have been told not to connect our 2 FC 4500 switches to our newer 5300 switches. But when I backup from the newer san CX4 to the older San CX500 that connects to Commvault everything is going over the network. We are using Commvault 8.0 and I am trying to find the best solution for this bottleneck. Not sure if I should build another media agent attached to both sets of switches, or to somehow Isl switches together without the older 4500 sw's taking ownership of the newer 5300's.

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December 9th, 2010 15:00

I do really want to thank you for taking your time and energy to helping me!!    

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December 9th, 2010 15:00

If the sw's were connected I could do all three media agents.

only have 3 slots of the correct type.

I guess 2 can go newer cx4 and 1 to cx500

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December 9th, 2010 15:00

Can’t get a couple of more HBAs ?

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December 9th, 2010 15:00

It said that was a fix for latest fw.

There are some doc's on hp website. That is where had to go to get latest firmware.

Just could not find any info on acess gateway.

I talked to Commvault support and they said if I had 4 fc cards one to each fabric that it would work as a media agent.

But it is better to connect fabrics.Budgets are tight there is no way I can get another san.

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December 9th, 2010 16:00

Fabric Interoperability:

Merging Fabrics Based on M-series and

B-series Fibre Channel Switches

Application Notes

I think this may have the information that we need.

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/c01937838/c01937838.pdf

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December 9th, 2010 16:00

this looks promising ..i'll look it over tonight.  I see your point, if you have a bunch of agents that would be waisting a lot of ports, HBAs, cables to have a host span multiple fabrics. How hard would it be to schedule downtime for 5300 to enable interop mode ? What kind of hosts connected to it ?

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December 9th, 2010 17:00

I can do it over the weekend, but don't you only need to take down one 5300 at a time reconfigure both ends bring back up, then do other switch? This is the first of 2 switches. Or the best time is when we have 2 weeks off for Christmas starting at the end of day on 12/17- 1/3/11 almost everyone is gone. Is there a way to transfer or attach a file for you. After looking at this payroll and student records are not on here. Archive is about 8 TB and mail about the same. I thought you gave up on me and wouldn't blame you.

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December 10th, 2010 16:00

PL_LISD wrote:

I thought you gave up on me and wouldn't blame you.

i don't give up that easily . What you are trying to do is not hard, we just need to have all of our ducks in a row to do it right the first time with minimal impact. Message me privately so we can resume via email.

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December 13th, 2010 03:00

How do you backup from a client over the SAN ? I can only think of VCB like solutions for virtual machines and client to tape over SAN, where each client has tape drive access. Is there another way ?

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December 13th, 2010 04:00

That's the only SAN based backup I can image as well. But would you want to do it like this ? I mean: I have 600+ clients and only 8 tape drives.... and each hour I have 100+ jobs running for transaction log backups of important database servers. I'm affraid I'll run out of free drives very quickly.... We have (CommVault) Media Agents that store the backup data on disk first and every 30 minutes or so all backup data which hasn't been stored on tape will be stored on tape at that point. These Media Agents use SAN based backup on tape indeed.

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December 13th, 2010 04:00

Automatically Adding Data Paths for Existing Libraries

When multiple MediaAgents share the same library (SAN DDS, or direct-attached shared library configurations) the system can automatically add the alternate data paths for each of the storage policies, when this option is enabled. As each of these data paths (MediaAgent, Library, Drive Pool and Scratch Pool) use the same resources, additional index cache configuration is not required. In addition, the criteria for using the alternate data path (described in the following section) must also be specified.

Defining the Criteria for Using Alternate Data Paths

A storage policy can be configured to use an alternate data path using the following criteria:

  • When resources are busy or offline - use this option to configure your system to use an alternate data path when resources are busy or offline.
  • Load balance between the data paths - use this option to evenly distribute data protection operations amongst drive-pools, thereby not overloading a specific drive-pool.
  • LAN preferred datapath - use this option to automatically perform LAN-free data protection operations.


If you zone switches for both san's, and FC Library load the media agent configure a new or extisting storage policy. You can use lan prefered datapath option to acomplish this.

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December 13th, 2010 04:00

if you have a shared tape library, you can present shared tape resources to multiple hosts. On the host itself you have to load "storage node" software and license. This software talks back to our backup server to figure out when tape resources are available and when the backup starts, control traffic (metadata) goes over IP while data flows over FC connected tape drives.

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December 13th, 2010 06:00

We are not as big, only have 200+ servers and 40 servers with sql hourly transactional log.

The problem we have is only one san can see the tape library; the other san is on a separate fabric.

I also called CV's media support to check and see if it is doable.

Not to change subjects but.

What kind of dedup product do you have, is it a appliance or CV's?

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December 16th, 2010 04:00

We are just going to get a PoD upgrade license and get more SFP's for the 5300.

Then plug in the other san, library drives that will take 8 ports and backup servers to 5300.

Thanks for the help everyone!

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