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April 4th, 2009 11:00

Maximum Upgrades on a Dimension E521 - project

​Hi All,​

​I had to research the heck out of some topics before upgrading, and thought it would make sense to try and make a guide where people with an E521 could find everything they need in one post and share what works and what doesn't. It seems that everybody wants to know the MAX upgrades that they can get out of their system. Why not? Most OEM manufacturers publish specifications with fault-tolerance built in - In other words, your system may be capable of much more than it states in the official Dell operator and service manuals. They do this in order to only suggest upgrades that will work at least 99.999% of the time with 99.999% of hardware on the market. By doing so, it cuts down on the amount of customer support that they have to provide. This is a good thing and keeps most users from getting in over their head and also helps keep the prices of their computers reasonable.​

​ I have first-hand experience that often you can do more with your base system than factory documentation would suggest - my Inspiron 1501 is capable of running double the memory that Dell lists and 4GB ram in a laptop is a definite advantage with it has integrated graphics to make up for. ​

​I will be using WEI as a standard as I really hope it will become even more utilized in Windows7. My whole family likes PC games and it is much easier for my wife and other family members to compare a simple WEI number than to give them a list of CPU's, RAM, GPU's, etc... Most non-enthusiasts would assume that a game that calls for a 2.0Ghz processor wouldn't run on a Turion 64x2 tl-56 @1.8ghz or a Pentium M @ 1.6Ghz - they are woefully unprepared to handle my son's Christmas list. WEI gives my extended family the opportunity to get my son the things that he actually wants for Xmas and birthdays - PC games. ​

​Upgrades that I have done to date:​

​GRAPHICS​

​Installed PNY Nvidia 7600GS 512MB 128bit GPU - this ran flawlessly and was only replaced to get Shader Model 4.0 (SM4) and DX10 support.​

​Installed PNY Nvidia 8500GT 512MB 128bit GPU - this runs great, has full DX10, SM4 support. With games that support DX10 , it is better than the 7600GS. With DX9 games (which is most games), the 7600GS is actually slightly better. We like to watch a lot of movies on our PC and the 8500GT has great support for HD and all other video playback. Works well with Adobe Photoshop CS4 using the GPU to do some of the rendering. It was a good trade-off, I lost maybe 5 to 10% fps in games and gained 100% better video playback with full HD support. (I get WEI scores of 4.9 Aero and 5.4 gaming with this card)​

​Why not get the latest and greatest card? New games are starting to use DX10 - I am looking forward to the better graphics and more realistic effects. If DX10 adds anything near what DX9 did, I am going to be very pleased. Also - I live in the peoples republic of Maryland and the power company BGE/Constallation Energy seems to control the strings of the state government. My power bill has gone from less than $100/mo to over $300/mo in the last 2 years and I use approximately 20% less energy now than I did then. This will be the primary PC and media center in our home and will run almost constantly. Using a better/newer GPU would likely require me to install a larger power supply to meet its power consumption demands. I would rather run a 305watt power supply than a 450+watt power supply. Also, this is a budget-build, and I am trying to see how much bang-for the buck you can get. (My new GPU cost me less than $20.00 New from Newegg.com by combining a sale and a Mfgr's rebate.)​

​MEMORY​

​Replaced factory configuration of 2 x 512MB DDR2 pc5300 667mhz memory with 2 x 1GB PNY Optima DDR2 pc6400 800mhz memory. (Good memory, latency of 5, comes with heat shield) The bios recognizes it as 800mhz memory and runs it full-speed. Windows Vista recognizes it too - the Windows Experience Index (WEI) gave me a 5.9 - the maximum score that Vista gives - with 2GB of this memory. You cannot get this score with 2GB of 667 as it measures the AMOUNT (in GB) and SPEED (in mhz) and latency (lag time - lower is better) of the RAM. (Under $30 with rush shipping from newegg.com)​

​Added 2 x 1GB Crucial Ballistics Tracerz DDR2 pc6400 800mhz memory to get 4GB total. (This is ridiculously good memory, latency of 4 with heatshield and led lights - bought used for $25.00 both sticks) Obviously still 5.9 WEI as this memory is even better than the other 2 sticks that max out on the scale. ​

​Why do I need 4GB? Some GPU/video cards use both dedicated RAM which is built onto the card AND use shared memory as well. With Vista Basic 32, I lose about 512MB to OS addressing issues, and another 512 to 768MB in shared video memory. By having the full 4GB available, I actually have 2.7 to 3 GB available for the OS and applications to use. Even with selecting user and inputting password, it takes me under 25 seconds to a full, usable desktop when I boot up. It's at least 5 seconds faster than with only 2GB (which is really only 1.5 due to GPU/shared memory). I still get the 5.9 max WEI score, but I think it would get a 6.5 or better using Windows7's larger scale. ​

​Future: I am determined to try to see if it will take a 1x2GB stick of DDR2 pc6400 800mhz ram. (Hopefully 4x2GB) AMD Athlon64 or 64x2 processors should be able to address much more memory than this and because AMD CPU's have the memory controller onboard the CPU, not on the motherboard, there is a good chance that I can get more than the max 4GB ram. Since 800mhz memory is the max that AM2 (the socket and chipset type for Athlon 64, 64x2) uses (without overclocking), 800mhz is fully recognized and utilized. I will try this soon and let people know if it works.​

​Processor​​ ​

​The stock Athlon 64 x2 CPU is installed. It only gets a 4.2 on WEI. This PC is going to run 12+ hours a day 365 days a year for hopefully another 2 or more years so reliability and durability is a must. Also, my wife has no desire to fiddle with adjustments or put up with any instability issues or loud fans, etc... that can occur with overclocking, so that option is out. Just ordered a Athlon 64 x2 5600​​+​​ from ebay. It runs at 2.8ghz instead of the 2.9 of the (non +) 5600, but has 2 x 1MB L2 cache instead of the 2x512kb L2 cache that the regular 5600 and most other 64 x2 processors have. By all accounts that I have read, this should be a faster chip 90% of the time than a 5600 or even 6000. It should also prove to be a reliable upgrade and work well with the stock HSF (heat sink & fan) from the E521. Others have reported WEI scored in the 5.3 to 5.5 range with this CPU. I will update this within the week. ​

​Storage​

​The stock 160GB 7200rpm SATA HDD is being used and I have bought a used 80GB Western Digital SATA drive to partition into a CS4 scratch-disk (10 GB) and Back-up disk (65ishGB). I don't need any more than this space because even with taking college photography classes, my wife takes about 6GB/year of pictures. By the time she is filling this up, I should be able to buy a used octo-core for a day or two's pay. ​

​Just the stock 160GB drive gets a 5.4 WEI score. I am going to try and disable the (useless with 4GB RAM) virtual memory/page file and see if this number improves. The WEI score is based on read/write speed - I would assume that 4GB with no page would run faster than 2GB with a 2GB page file, since there is no disk read/write time. ​

​Other​

​Will be upgrading to Vista64 this week. CS4 has native 64bit support and is optimized to run 10-15% faster on 64bit OS (supposedly). Also, newer games have 64bit support and should be better to utilize multiple-core CPU's instead of having one core run the game and another running everything else. ​

​I look forward to hearing from others that are trying to seek out the potential of the E521 and what upgrades they have able to accomplish above and beyond what Dell may officially support. ​

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28 Posts

June 7th, 2009 02:00

Thormann are you still active in this forum

Because:

Memory  http://www.randomworks.com/?page_id=425, could be working I do not know.

Video card going for a 1gb memory serie,  you want to go for a stock cooler and do not want to cut out the case back & mobo chip heatsink & the plastic coolerhouse:

go for a Gigabyte, the  GV-R487D5-1GD 1024MB it is the best that will fit and you got 1Gb memory.  If you do not like a ATI HD4870 and want to go for a Nvidia then go for the Gigabyte GTX9800plus card also 1Gb memory

OS speed, go for XP, forget Vista I'm back to XP, want 4Gb then use XP-64bit or wait for Win7.

OS speed, format you HD, install your OS again and Google for all the speedtweaks make your OS mean and lean.

 CPU get the AMD 64 X2 6400+ 2x1mb cache and a decent cooler, I use a rebuild Hyper TX to cool this beast.

OC use Clockgen and for maybe for your CPU CBidentifier, I'm limited to DimensionE521 mobo's max 125W

 

BTW:

Your stock Dell PSU can not be used anymore using these big video cards, do a calculation check like on http://extreme.outervision.com/index.jsp

 If your choice will be ATI based then select your 24 pins ATX PSU at the ATI main site for the certificated PSU's

 

 

 

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August 2nd, 2009 22:00

Hi Thorman,

 

How did the upgrade to a 64bit OS go? I want to upgrade to Vista64 as well, but I'm not sure if the motherboard can handle it.

 

Thanks!

28 Posts

September 5th, 2009 15:00

It appears to me Thorman is dead or has a new Dell.

But maybe I can help, forget Vista it will slow down you games, go for Win7 or XP. If you are running only 32bit games the 64 upgrade will not be noticed in gamespeed or gameperformance, at some sites they noticed even a slowndown in performance.

 

 

Dell Dimension E521 upgraded to

AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+  OC to 3.5ghz

Hyper TX2 Cooler

Sapphire HD4890 VaporX

4Gb Crucial Ballistix

Corsair TX750Watt

Still running on XP32bit but mean and lean

 

 

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September 8th, 2009 11:00

Thormann, Toine3,

 

Thank you for your detailed responses. Have you tried running Vista x64 with 8Gb RAM? The reason I'm asking is because I need 8Gb for a very memory hungry program I'm using for research.

 

Thanks!!!

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September 10th, 2009 08:00

Hey, they reinstated this topic.  (i used a 'G' - rated word that somehow set off the filters and the whole topic was unaccessable a few days ago)

Athlon64 and 64x2 CPU's controll the memory, not the northbridge (N430 for these models).  With most PC's either the motherboard or the northbridge chipset or the BIOS (which only affects the northbridge and the motherboard) controlls the memory.   A64 and 64x2 can control up to 1TB of memory (1024GB).  

however, the speed at which the memory runs is controlled by the N430.  800mhz will be the limit even if you  use PC2 1066 DDR2 memory. 

2GB sticks are known to work on most of these E/C521 models.  however, I don't have enough 2GB sticks to test whether it will run over 4GB RAM.   It should.

remember that this is an OEM computer, not one that you select the components and build and (most importantly) support yourself.  No manufacturer wants to have angry consumers that buy 8GB of RAM and can only 'see' 3.5GB (any 32 bit OS users).  many Dell's can use double the stated RAM limit.  (my 1501 laptop would take 4GB instead of the listed 2GB max) 

also remember that your version of XP64 or Vista 64 will limit your max RAM.  Anywhere from 8GB to 128GB is possible depending on your version (home basic/home premium/business/ultimate/etc...).  VHB64 is 8GB VHP64 is 16GB and business64 enterprise64 and ultimate64 support up to 128GB RAM.  Suprisingly enough, any version of XP64 supports the full 128GB.  

I am trying to wrangle the finances to purchase some additional 2GB sticks of DDR2 RAM and will update when I have better info. 

 

28 Posts

September 24th, 2009 03:00

Please, keep us informed if the Dell DimE521 memory slot, can handle more than 1Gb.

 

18 Posts

October 24th, 2011 11:00

I know this is old but I'm wondering if thorman944 (or anyone else for that matter) ever tried more RAM?  I'm running Win 7 Home Premium and was curious if I could boost it to 8gb or even 12gb...

28 Posts

October 29th, 2011 01:00

Are you running Win7 64bit? 

I have read somewere that it is possible to install 2Gb on one slot, so this leaves you to 8Gb max. As the guy at computer wine blog, he was the source on that?    

http://computerwine.blogspot.com/2008/11/upgrading-dell-desktop-e521.htm  

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November 13th, 2011 21:00

yes- 64 bit

December 12th, 2012 08:00

The E521 can handle vista 64 and I am currently running 8GB of ram and a GeForce gtx 210. Stock MBO and power supply. 2GB of ram in each slot. I have seen posts that say they have 4GB x 2 and 1 GB x 2 as well. But currently, the answer is that the operating system and the processor seem to be the key to how much RAM you can run. I have the AMD 3200+ dual core processor. Make sure the RAM is unbuffered and Non-ECC

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November 7th, 2013 19:00

I have a Dell Dim E521 I have 4gb of ram and a amd Athlon 64x2 4200+ processes in it if your have a heating issues  you  need to replace the stock heatsink with one like this on the link http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-Dell-Optiplex-GX280-Dimension-8400-Copper-CPU-Cooling-Heatsink-W4254-0W4254-/261322224322?pt=US_CPU_Fans_Heatsinks&hash=item3cd804b2c2

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November 8th, 2013 12:00

I have a Dell Dim E521 I have 4gb of ram and a amd Athlon 64x2 4200+ processes in it if your have a heating issues  you  need to replace the stock heatsink with one like this on the link http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-Dell-Optiplex-GX280-Dimension-8400-Copper-CPU-Cooling-Heatsink-W4254-0W4254-/261322224322?pt=US_CPU_Fans_Heatsinks&hash=item3cd804b2c2

 

joeysutt

The Dell Optiplex GX280 Dimension 8400 Copper CPU Cooling Heatsink W4254 0W4254 shown in your link, is not compatible with the Dimension e521 that is a BTX system, not ATX and requires a UX521 - Heatsink & Shroud Assembly, same as the following:

http://www.impactcomputers.com/ux521.html?gclid=COms-Nv-1boCFRFo7Aod0yYAzw

Bev.

 

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