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September 1st, 2007 18:00

Yet Another... Precision 390 CPU Upgrade Question

I just purchased an new Dell Precision 390 with the Intel Core®2 Duo E4400 (2.00GHz/800MHz/2MB L2/Dual-core) CPU

Down the road, can I up grade to any of the CPUs I have listed below?

Intel Core 2 Duo E6420 (2.13GHz/1066MHz/4MB L2/Dual-core) [add $259]
Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 (2.66GHz/1066MHz/4MB L2/Dual-core/VT) [add $489]
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 (2.40GHz/1066MHz/2X4MB L2/Quad-core/VT) [add $499]
Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 (2.93/1066MHz/4MB L2/Dual-core/VT) [add $1,209]
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 (2.66/1066MHz/8MB L2/Quad-core/VT) [add $1,219]

I guess the underlying question...Is the PWS 390 main-board (MoBo) the same for all available CPU configurations?

Barry


Dell Precision 390/Intel Core 2 Duo E4400/2 x 73GB 15K RPM HD/2 GM DDR2 RAM/nVidia Quadro NVS 285

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September 12th, 2007 15:00

Thanks kindly. I just got my q6600. The sSpec number printed on the chip is SLACR ("slacker" hehe), which is indeed the G0 stepping version. Awesome.

One thing I'd asked and am still curious about is how often you need to reapply Arctic Silver compound? I guess that would be the one and only advantage to leaving the thermal pad as is - it never needs maintenance.

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September 12th, 2007 16:00

Thanks again GoHack.

And keep us posted on the p8016!

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September 12th, 2007 16:00

Just once, when you assemble it.
 
 

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September 12th, 2007 20:00

So it's done!

I changed out my e6300 for the q6600. Ended up having to remove the thermal pad, because half of it was stuck to the heatsink, the other half to the e6300. I cleaned the heatsink of the compound, cleaned the q6600 heatspreader surface with isopropyl, then applied Arctic Silver exactly as per the instructions. Reseating the q6600 took a lot more force than I'd imagined, but it was apparently seated properly.

My q6600 is indeed a SLACR, G0 stepping chip. I see the 4 cores running, with Core Temps of 43, 43, 36, 40 C at idle. Task Manager shows 4 cpus. The BIOS 2.4.0 and XP Pro identify the q6600 and everything seems happy.

However, there may be a problem based on what I see in CPU-Z. Cpu-Z version 1.41 shows my Core Speed at 1596.5, and a multiplier of x6. SpeedStep is turned off in the BIOS.

Edited:
I noticed that when the processor loads, i.e. when I drag a window around with the mouse, CPU-Z changes to show an x9 multiplier and Core Speed 2394.3. When I release the window and thus stop loading the processor, it drops back to x6 and 1596.

Is there a bug with CPU-Z, or is this normal behavior?

Message Edited by metrolens on 09-12-2007 06:04 PM

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September 13th, 2007 00:00

First of all, congratulations. ;)
 
My system does the same thing, unloaded. As soon as I run, or do anything, it goes back up to 2.4 GHz.
 
What you need to do is deactivate the Enhanced Halt State (C1E). The only way that I know of to do that, for a system w/o the BIOS setting, is w/the utility Rightmark CPU Clock Utility.
 
In the utility, under Advanced CPU Settings, you have Ehanced Low Power States Settings (Intel Core and Core 2 families). Under that, uncheck the Enable Enhanced Halt State (C1E), and hit the Apply on the bottom. You'll immediately see your core speed go up to full speed.
 
 

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September 13th, 2007 03:00

Honestly, you were an enormous help. I would probably have blown something up without your guidance.

Interesting, that Rightmark CPU Clock Utility. But is it even preferable to be running at the full 2.4 at all times? I mean, isn't the EISE actually doing a good thing, by saving power and keeping my core temps down? As long as the extra clock speed kicks in immediately when it's needed, why have it cycling at 2.4 when nothing is happening?

btw my temps at idle (only a Mozilla browser with 10 tabs open) seem to have gone down a little. Now they're 40, 40, 35, 39. Maybe the Arctic Silver is beginning to "break in," as described in the instructions. Or maybe it's because the ambient temp is lower in here since it's night. Or both.

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September 13th, 2007 07:00

FYI
 
Sensor Properties:
      Sensor Type                                           HDD
      GPU Sensor Type                                   Analog Devices ADT7473  (NV-I2C 2Eh)

    Temperatures:
      CPU #1 / Core #1                                  32 °C  (90 °F)
      CPU #1 / Core #2                                  32 °C  (90 °F)
      CPU #1 / Core #3                                  30 °C  (86 °F)
      CPU #1 / Core #4                                  30 °C  (86 °F)
      GPU                                                       31 °C  (88 °F)
      GPU Diode                                             37 °C  (99 °F)
      GPU Memory                                         30 °C  (86 °F)
      GPU Ambient                                         31 °C  (88 °F)
      WDC WD5000AAKS-00TMA0              26 °C  (79 °F)
      WDC WD5000AAKS-00TMA0              29 °C  (84 °F)

    Cooling Fans:
      GPU                                                       806 RPM  (42%)

    Voltage Values:
      CPU Core                                              1.31 V
      GPU Vcc                                                3.30 V

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September 13th, 2007 07:00

All my 4 cores are reading around 31 - 33 c under normal load :-)
What would I except or noise if I put in a QX6800
 

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September 13th, 2007 12:00

If your not running anything at the time anyway, why care if it does drop down to a power saving mode.
 
What you don't want, is it to happen when you are running an application.
 
So running that utility is up to you.
 
With the Arctic Silver, I suspect the liquid substance in the compound, is used to assist in applying the silver to the surfaces, and simply vaporizes off as the cpu heats up in use. The only thing left at that point, is the pure silver for transfering the heat, and thus the small drop. They say, on average, around a 3 degree C drop can be seen as the ArcticSilver sets.  


Message Edited by GoHack on 09-13-2007 09:06 AM

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September 13th, 2007 13:00

claytonb:
 
What is you ambient, or room temperature, w/those readings?


Message Edited by GoHack on 09-13-2007 09:09 AM

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September 13th, 2007 19:00

About 15 c
 
 

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September 14th, 2007 01:00

My PW390 is a week old so I guess I got the P8016 heatsink, I'm also running a Q6600
What benifits would I see in performance upgrading the CPU to a QX6800?
 
 

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September 14th, 2007 01:00

For those who may be interested:
 
Well I received my Dell P8016 heatsink today. It's listed in the Precision 390 parts list, and I'm told that it comes w/the Conroe X6800 Extreme cpu. 
 
The mounting is identical to that of the stock heatsink that came w/my Precision 390 system, so it's installation was straight forward. The physical heatsink has a lot more surface area, for dispersing the heat, using a combination of both aluminum, for the fins, and copper for the heat tubes and the cpu contact surface.
 
The only thing that I was hoping for w/the P8016, was a six heat tube heatsink, but instead got a four tube. I've seen other Dell products, which come w/the six tube heatsinks, but don't know if any would fit in the Precision 390.
 
Now for my results.
 
My system is running w/all four cores running 100%, running the Distributed Computing Program, Einstein at Home. I'm not going to argue about the fact, that the program I'm using doesn't load the cpu enough. That's not what is important here.
 
Stock Heatsink
 
Core 1 - 65 C
Core 2 - 65 C
Core 3 - 61 C
Core 4 - 61 C
 
P8016 Heatsink
 
Core 1 - 48 C
Core 2 - 48 C
Core 3 - 42 C
Core 4 - 43 C
 
The system was down around 10 minutes or so, for the heatsink change over, so the ambient room temperature shouldn't have changed much, if any.
 
I let the system run for over 10 minutes before taking my readings, in both cases, using the utility program, CPU Core 0.95, for taking my temperatures.
 
As you can see, the P8016 is a much better heatsink than the stock, all alumium one, in the Precision 390 Workstation, when using the Intel Q6600 Quad Core Processor. I might note, this is the G0 Stepping Core model that I am using.

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September 14th, 2007 01:00

That is very impressive.

Did you order your p8016 from Dell Spare Parts?

And, when you installed the new heatsink, did you put a new application of Arctic Silver on the q6600? Did you have to remove the processor to do so, or can it be done while seated?

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September 14th, 2007 02:00

I would have taken the CPU out to clean it also, I use ArctiClean 2 in 1
 
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