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XPS 15z Audio Crackling/Stuttering with network traffic over wireless (Latency Issue)
THREAD CONTENTS
This thread has grow over time and contains quite a lot of information. To make it easier to find specific information on this thread I have implemented a contents system which will allow you find information quickly. The thread has been split into sections and sub sections where appropriate. The contents uses Anchor points (thanks jimco for the tip!), so you can simply click on the section in the contents to jump to the section in the thread.
Sections:
- Summary Information of this entire thread
- What is DPC Latency?
- Newer Qualcomm Atheros Drivers vs OEM Driver
- Important information before replying to this thread
- All Information and evidence on the wireless latency issue
- How to test if you have wireless latency issues
- Workarounds/Fixes
- Dell's position on the situation
- Community Acknowledgements
If you haven't followed this thread through various developments since it was first published, take a second to read this summary. This thread has expanded massively overtime, so the information in its entirety might be difficult to take in without knowing all the facts.
The original problem described in this thread is regarding latency spikes over WiFi on the XPS 15z. The latency spikes are caused by unknown factors which have never been truly pin pointed to any certain area (and still haven't to this day). There are many areas which have been highlighted including Windows 7 and its lack of process interruption protection, Intel WiFi Drivers, Realtek Sound Drivers and other areas. A lot of community activity was involved in trying to get to the bottom of this problem. It was eventually discovered that the Atheros Ethernet Adapter could be attributed to the problem, after a newer Non Dell OEM driver was found for the Atheros 815X Family Ethernet Controller on a third party website. This driver was tested by several community members and it was found that latency spikes were reduced heavily. Since this point, it has been a community recommendation to install the Qualcomm Atheros drivers rather than using the outdated Dell OEM driver which is dated May 2011 for the Ethernet card in the XPS 15z.
There is far more to the situation than this, but it is a summarized version of the events that have taken place over the months. If you don't know what DPC Latency is or are unfamilar with the problem being described, take a moment to read through this thread, it is seperated into logical headings and groupings to make it easier to pick out the key information.
It is important to note that while the use of the official Qualcomm Atheros driver over the Dell OEM driver has helped people in this situation it is not a guarantee that it will solve you problem. Sadly many factors can cause latency spikes, the Atheros Ethernet Controller seems to be just one of them.
To understand DPC latency, its important to first understand what the two terms mean on there own:
A Deferred Procedure Call (DPC) is a Microsoft Windows operating system mechanism which allows high-priority tasks (e.g. an interrupt handler) to defer required but lower-priority tasks for later execution. This permits device drivers and other low-level event consumers to perform the high-priority part of their processing quickly, and schedule non-critical additional processing for execution at a lower priority. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_Procedure_Call
Latency is a measure of time delay experienced in a system, the precise definition of which depends on the system and the time being measured. Latencies may have different meaning in different contexts. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latency_(engineering)
When there is high latency various problems can occurs, one of the main issues that are a side effect of badly managed DPC latency is audio problems. This can be often seen with multimedia content like music or video. When you have bad latency you will experience drop outs and degraded audio. To see the problem visually you can use a DPC latency analysis program which will tell you when you have bad latency.
What causes high DPC latency?:
Here lies the million dollar question, many factors can cause high latency. In a lot of cases it is usually down to poorly written hardware drivers that don't perform quick enough and cause lag between process execution. This then creates high latency and then will interfere with running processes. Sometimes this can occur very rarely and is acceptable in some cases, however it becomes problem if the DPC latency constantly spikes and can be reproduced in certain scenarios.
For the specific case of the XPS 15z, the driver that seems to be the most problematic is the Dell OEM driver for the Atheros 8151 Ethernet Controller, it is difficult to pin point causes of high latency, but the problem has been attributed to it. That is not to say that the Ethernet controller is totally blame. Without Dell investigating there own driver/hardware implementations we can't even conclusively pin point the issue.
The bottom line of the situation is however, the XPS 15z has very high DPC latency in a lot of scenarios.
3. NEWER QUALCOMM ATHEROS DRIVERS VS DELL OEM DRIVERS:
Disclaimer: These drivers are NOT official Dell OEM drivers and hence not certified by Dell. They are the OFFICIAL drivers from Qualcomm Atheros but have not been compiled specifically for Dell OEM. It is 100% safe to use these drivers, but if you experience any problems, roll back to the Dell OEM driver. It is likely Dell won't help you if you have problems with your Ethernet Controller when using these drivers.
After community testing of a newer 2.0 release of the Non OEM Atheros Driver found by Dell Community User richsark it has been found that the non OEM drivers certainly help the situation a great deal with regards to the latency issue. So if you having problems described in this thread, try following the Qualcomm Atheros driver installation steps in this section.
Another Dell Community member JimK157 has found Qualcomm Atheros have been releasing newer drivers for certain Atheros Ethernet Controllers on a regular basis, the AR815X Family Drivers which is what the XPS 15z has is part of these releases. The good news about this is there is now a dedicated page for these drivers which can be tracked:
http://www.qca.qualcomm.com/corporate/content.php?nav1=146
If you are already comfortable with updating drivers manually through device manager you can go ahead and download the drivers and manually install them, if you aren't sure what to do, follow these instructions:
- Go to the URL above
- Scroll to the AR813X AR815X Family Drivers section
- From the drop down menu select the "Windows WHQL Driver"
- The driver will be downloaded as a .rar archive, so you will need extraction software that can unpack .rar files. (Programs like WinRaR can do this)
- When you extract the archive to the specified location you will get a folder called "AR813x_AR815x_AR816x_[version_here]_WHQL". The version numbering will differ slightly for each driver release.
In the extracted driver folder there is a setup.exe, however due to this being the generic Qualcomm driver and not Dell OEM it is strongly recommended you only install the driver and nothing else. to avoid any performance issues or problems.
- Open Device Manager and expand the "Network adapters" menu
- Right click on your Atheros AR8151 Ethernet Adapter. It's name may differ depending on your driver version. Newer driver versions display the name as "Qualcomm Atheros AR8151 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (NDIS 6.20)" older driver versions will display the name differently.
- Select Update Driver Software from the menu
- Select Browse my computer for driver software
- Now you will be asked to manually specify the location of the Ethernet driver. You will need to click browse to specify where you extracted the .rar archive to and navigate to this path Common_Dri\Win7_64 so device manager can locate the driver. When you have specified this path click OK and the driver will be automatically installed. If everything went OK device manager will state this in the window confirming a successful driver upgrade
To confirm the driver was updated to a newer version you can always compare the driver version/date to the previous version prior to updating. Making a note of the driver version/date is a good indicator.
4. IMPORTANT INFORMATION BEFORE REPLYING IN THIS THREAD:
Before replying to this thread make sure you are reporting the right problem. It has become apparent that the Dell XPS 15z has different audio problems which have caused some confusion in multiple threads. This specific thread is for people that are having problems with audio when using the WIRELESS connection, which happens to be related to DPC LATENCY.
If you experience problems with audio when using the Ethernet connection or a different scenario, do not post in this thread, you have a different problem. We are trying to keep the different audio issues separate, so Dell and other community members can understand the different issues.
Remember, this thread is for audio problems when using the XPS 15z over wireless only where massive latency spikes occur as shown below:
Please Note: Disabling the Atheros Wired adapter does not solve this problem, this suggestion is for a different problem but will make no difference to the problem described in this thread.
5. EVIDENCE AND INFORMATION REGARDING THE WIRELESS LATENCY ISSUE
a. Summary of the wireless latency problem
To summarise previous threads, many community members from the Dell Community and other forums have reported audio issues on the Dell XPS 15z for a while. This specific audio issue is regarding the Intel Centrino 6230 N Wireless Card in the XPS 15z.
When a wireless connection is active and network traffic is generated, audio glitches will occur on the XPS 15z. These glitches range from audio crackling, degradation and even audio playback being distorted. In some cases this issue can go unnoticed, however the underlying problem is always present.
b. Evidence of latency spikes on the XPS 15z
From reading various articles and other forum threads on this issue, I am pretty certain it is something to do with Wireless. Dell has stated in the past that the Centrino 6230 N card is not at fault for the audio issues, however I believe they are wrong.
Thanks to another community member (ShonkyCH), we have pretty hard evidence that the wireless card is causing these issues. If you observe the DPC latency on the Dell XPS 15z while on wireless you will find that you get very large spikes when an average amount of network traffic is generated. First some evidence of the problem:
EXHIBIT A: Performing a Latency test in real time.
The video below demonstrates the problem in real time. In this test I performed a simple action of the typical home user, by pulling a 720p Movie File from my NAS server. To make everything fair, here are the variables in this test:
- Router: WNR3500L V1, running DD-WRT K.26 Build 14929
- Wireless Speed: Wireless N 2.4 Ghz (Single Band)
- NAS Server: HP ProLiant Microserver N36L (Integrated Broadcom Gigabit Ethernet Port, connected to a Gigabit switch)
If you cannot play the embedded video click here to view the video directly.
The latency graph explained:
From the video above you have observed latency spikes when a decent amount of network traffic is generated. Below is more information on the latency test I performed.
Bar chart graph key:
- Green Bars - Good
- Yellow Bars - OK
- Red Bars - Bad, will cause audio drop-outs
Latency when network traffic is generated:
The next screenshot below shows the latency when network traffic is generated. Exactly the same test was performed as seen in the video to produce these results:
As you can see the latency is completely spiking off the scale. This was taken after I let the film play for a few minutes.
What this means in graph form is a visual representation of why the audio issues are happening. These latency spikes are (I believe) the primary contributor to the following audio issues users are having:
- Audio crackling (Constant under network load)
- Audio quality being degraded (Occurs in some cases)
- Audio playback plays as if the speed was being slowed. (Briefly happens, generally when using an Internet browser. It seems certain processes affect audio playback)
First of all you need to be on a Wireless connection only. Any wireless connection will do. It can be any speed either G or N. Then you can do a couple of things to see if you have the latency problem reported above. The easiest way would be to download a DPC Latency Checker program and observe the latency for yourself when you generate network traffic.
- Download the DPC Latency Checker Program used in this test (http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml)
- Save it to a easily accessible location on your XPS 15z i.e. Desktop, Downloads Folder etc.
- Go to the location you saved the download and open the executable dpclat.exe (It doesn't require an install it is a pre-compiled program)
- Close any network related programs like Internet Browsers, Torrent Applications etc and let the program analyse your DPC latency.
- Now generate network traffic, visit some websites in your favourite Internet Browser, perform general internet activities. If you have a NAS server (or similar setup) you might also want to perform the test above to see for yourself.
Another simple test to actually hear the audio glitches is to open your favourite music player i.e. Windows Media Player, iTunes, Zune, VLC etc and play some tracks in your playlist, now do some internet related activities, browse some web pages, just do some general normal day to day internet related actions. In a lot of cases you will find as you browse different web pages the audio of your music tracks playing becomes degraded, in most cases you will find either the audio crackles or the audio seems to slow down as if the speed of it was slowed by 2x, then once whatever browsing activity has finished the audio will be fine again. This happens with both the XPS 15z speakers and with headphones directly plugged into the headphone jack.
It is important to point out that the Ethernet Connection does NOT suffer the same DPC latency spikes and no such audio issues occur with anything network related over ethernet. Latency is far better and you will mainly find Green bars, with a few yellow bars, no red however.
7. WORKAROUNDS/FIXES TO THIS PROBLEM
Using the Qualcomm Atheros drivers for the Ethernet Controller seems to help a lot of people that experience large latency spikes in certain situations. You can find out how to obtain and install the Qualcomm Atheros driver by clicking here. From testing it has performed much better than the Dell OEM driver and has reduced latency spikes in most cases. It is not however the magic fix to the problem. Latency spikes still occurs, however they become far less common and not as severe. It has been tested by members of the community and has yielded good results, but again there are no guarantees of its success rate with different users.
Any workarounds here are classed as legacy workarounds as they are not as effective as the recommended workaround and have been hit and miss for a lot of people.
Creating a custom power plan:
A workaround has been found thanks to AKTundra. This workaround involves creating a custom power plan in Windows 7 with a couple of modified settings related to processor power management.
- In your Taskbar (Bottom Right) right click on your battery icon and select power options. If you don't have system icons enabled you can access the power options via Control Panel. i.e. Start > Control Panel > Hardware & Sound > Power Options
- The power options window will appear, on the left hand side select create power plan.
- Give your power plan a name e.g. Audio Fix, you can base it off either Balanced or High Performance you can also leave the on battery/plugged in settings on their default values. Click create to create the new power plan
- The power plan you just created should be now in the Select a power plan menu. Find it and then click "Change Plan Settings" then click "Change advanced power settings".
- A smaller window will now appear with the option of changing more advanced power plan related settings. Scroll down to "Process power management" and expand the menu, now expand the "Minimum processor state" option. There will be two values, on battery and plugged in. By default these will read 5%, you will need to change both to either 50% or 55%. Once the values have been changed click apply and click OK to close the advanced options window. You may have to increase these values further depending on your environment and setup.
Hardware replacement/Wireless speed adjustment:
One solution that has been documented by ShonkyCH is getting the wireless card replaced. He had his wireless card replaced by Dell which ended up being a Dell branded Broadcom based device. The good news was it fixed the problem, the bad new is the replacement card lacks several features of the Centrino 6230N and hence isn't really a great solution. I personally won't accept this as a fix and hence continue to keep various threads regarding audio issues on the XPS 15z alive until I get some acknowledgement from Dell for everyone in the same boat regarding audio issues.
An interesting point that was discovered through experimentation is it seems latency issues seem to be more of a problem when on higher speed networks. E.g. Wireless N compared to Wireless G. A few people reported audio issues occur far less when on a Wireless G network compared to a Wireless N, where throughput is far less, however Wireless G speeds still produce latency spikes contributing to audio issues.
A final (last resort) workaround is to use Ethernet if possible. This obviously isn't a solution, but if you have access to an Ethernet port at Home/Work try and use it. I know, its not a great solution, but you might have to compromise for now until this problem is sorted.
8. WHAT IS DELL'S COMMENT ON THIS PROBLEM?
A few of us have privately messaged moderators on this forum and/or contacted Technical Support about this issue and have received the following comments, here's a summary of what Dell have said about this issue:
- Engineering state its a Windows 7 problem, due to lack of processing interruption protection
- They do not believe the Centrino 6230 N is at fault.
- Technical Support agents don't except the problem either and have even blamed networking hardware such as the customers router.
- Dell agents have scheduled service calls changing pieces of hardware of a few community member's XPS 15z including Motherboard, Speakers and Wireless card. All replacement Centrino Wireless card variants have had the same problem, speaker/motherboard replacements have been ineffective.
A big thank you to everyone who has contributed to this thread. This thread stands today because of the community and everyone who helped test, contributed important information and shared there knowledge on the situation. Without the community this thread would not be as comprehensive as it is now. Well done everyone, this was truly a forum community effort to compile this information together!
James2k
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April 20th, 2012 01:00
To further ShonkyCH's response, while Dell do indeed have to deal with lots of cases on a daily basis, this problem has been on going since the release of the XPS 15z. I think its fair to say for the premium price we all paid for this laptop, we deserve a straight answer from Dell regarding the issue. Which im sorry to say we haven't had, so I think you can understand why this thread exists and our frustration with the lack of assistance from Dell.
To iAMjason:
Sorry to hear the driver didn't improve your audio issues. To clarify from the feedback so far. You will still get red bars on a latency test regardless, though shouldn't spike as much and audio quality should improve, though it doesn't fix the problem entirely, you'll still get audio disruption, just not as much. One thing to try would be to uninstall the driver completly, reboot, install it again and then reboot again to be safe. ShonkyCH briefly experienced an issue that was cleared up with a reboot after installation. Have a go with that and see how you get on, keep us posted.
aj99
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April 20th, 2012 16:00
No answer coming...they know this 15z is colossal screw up on multiple levels.
AKTundra
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April 20th, 2012 17:00
Yep. I thought their <Admin Note:Profanity removed as per TOU> of the XPS 1710 was a one off so had my daughter buy 15z....never buy another Dell product..they release their flagships without proper Quality Assurance. Been off this forum since I was censored but do appreciate the work of fellow users. Dell can kiss me where the sun don't shine.
James2k
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April 21st, 2012 03:00
Wow... I've got to say Dell Moderators. I think the censoring is going to the extreme when you censor the word "screw up" in AKTundra's above post. He's entitled to his opinion about a product which has problems which have been ignored.
No wonder people lose interest when they are constantly moderated for nothing...
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April 21st, 2012 07:00
About the censoring. The forum has a spam *** filter which is insanely strict and frustrating. A couple of years ago a moderator was trying to get it loosened up but I guess didn't have much luck. A moderator once told me that service tag numbers and e-mail addresses are removed by overseas employees, but my information on that might be outdated now.
I don't remember ever seeing a post censored or deleted for criticizing a product and I read every post on this board. Sometimes someone tries to make an issue of it, but every time I have examined the original post it always turns out to be either a run in with the spam *** filter or a TOS/TOU violation.
Edit: Sorry, I meant *** filter. Of course the *** filter does not let me say *** filter which is pretty funny.
BRAHMOS-IN
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April 21st, 2012 12:00
Anyone drop a mail to michael dell, how we are treated. Dell try to engage competition with Macbook but unfortunately this call epic fail for dell. Because Apple have guts to acknowledge the issue and listen to his customer and find solution. If any dell mod wants or seek a example let me know.
BRAHMOS-IN
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April 21st, 2012 12:00
I wish If I was in U.S.
AKTundra
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April 21st, 2012 12:00
James2k had previously alerted me to the auto filter when I left this forum before so he is well aware. You have to agree with his statement though. Funny that Dell can develop such a STRONG filter for this forum and yet produce such inferior flagship products. Too bad they invested lots of time and effort setting up the auto filter's robust profanity dictionary but spent so little time on quality assurance of their flagship product. Since my posts tend to be negative based on my XPS 1730 and 15z experience I won't continue to clutter this thread with my opinions. As I am in the market for a new laptop for my other daughter I will post if I find a good machine.
Kudos to James2k and the rest of you for trying to solve our shared problems. There are dedicated people out there they just don't work for Dell. I doubt we will ever get Dell to 'actively' help solve this as marketing would never let them admit the engineering "screw up".
Cheers all.
iAMjason
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April 21st, 2012 12:00
Shonky:
I went to device manager and uninstalled the Atheros driver before installing.
I made sure the right version installed too. And on top of that, restarted twice.
I still get massive amounts of latency, it's as if the driver did absolutely nothing.. :(
aqal
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April 21st, 2012 14:00
Has anyone tried (on the Xps15z with the crackling sound) using the Atheros driver that was release with Xps14z? I think it makes things a little better for me (not perfect) but there is improvement... Just curious if others have the same experience or not...
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April 22nd, 2012 22:00
All... the fix is for the crackeling. Latency is a different issue
ShonkyCH
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April 22nd, 2012 22:00
richsark
I'm going to have to disagree there.
IMO: The fix appears to significantly fix the latency problem which in turn fixes the audio. The audio is broken because of the latency issues and specifically audio problems is one of the main things you'll see with latency issues. This is most commonly caused by drivers taking too long to execute (servicing interrupts or similar).
stinklyonion
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April 23rd, 2012 00:00
Thanks a lot for sharing and providing such post.
James2k
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April 23rd, 2012 02:00
I also agree with ShonkyCH, and its his findings regarding latency (on another forum) that sparked this thread off. Using another program called LatencyMon goes further htan the DPC latency checker in the original thread and shows you in detail what drivers and processes are causing issues, from a quick latency test (on idle) you can see that ACPI.SYS and NDIS.SYS are both causing high execution time. NDIS.sys being Ethernet related.
derrick64
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April 27th, 2012 13:00
All,
I have the L502X XPS 15 (Not the Z). However, I used DPC Latency checker and whenever it spikes above 16000, my audio will stutter and give an 'errrnnnn' sound.
Going to ethernet over wireless (intel 6230), makes it happen less often but it WILL still happen. Going offline completely seems to fix it 100%
Can anyone offer me some help? I'm still within my 21 days so I may just return it, but I love the laptop besides this issue. If I tell them to give me a different wireless card will that fix the problem?
Thanks ahead of time.