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August 27th, 2016 11:00

Alienware 17 R3 Cooling Insufficient?

I bought my AW 17 R3 in April and have played many a hours of my favourite game - Overwatch on it. However I have been plagued with a throttling problem that cripples my fps. I can play the game at 1080p or even 4k very smoothly with my fps constantly staying at the display limit of 70 on both resolutions.

However at some point, - it varies but usually after 10-25 minutes, the fps drops and my cpu throttles to 800mhz when I check hardware monitoring software. 

I have been able to somewhat remedy the problem by using Throttlestop to prevent turbo boost from kicking in so that the cpu stays at 2.6 ghz and by disabling BD PROCHOT. While gaming the cpu temps usually go up to the low 80s but haven't really seen them go higher than that. GPU temps are usually lower.

I also removed intel thermal dynamic via device manager.

Could my unit be defective in some way? Perhaps thermal paste wasn't applied properly? I am quite disappointed that I am facing these throttling issues with such a new and premium PC. I also have the most recent bios (released sometime in August). - 

I would love to be able to play a few games without having to worry about throttling. 

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August 29th, 2016 12:00

Hi,

The CPU can throttle due to overheating or lack of power. If the system is not overheating then this could be related to power. Check if the AC Adapter is being recognized all the time when you're playing and also if the system is running on high performance (Power Options).

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August 29th, 2016 13:00

OK will minimize during game play when it happens next to check the power status.

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August 30th, 2016 12:00

Ok, let me know!

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August 31st, 2016 16:00

Ok I just realised that when the frame rate drop occurred the little alien power button started changing colors indicating that the laptop is charging even tho it was not unplugged.

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September 1st, 2016 06:00

I don't know what temps would trigger throttling but would temps in the high 70s to 80s trigger it?

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September 1st, 2016 20:00

If this happens again, enter the BIOS (F2) and check if the AC is being recognized there.

Also try running a CPU stress test using the Support Assist tool to check how high the CPU temperature goes. If you do not have Support Assist installed in your computer, click here for the download link. Follow the steps below to run the stress test. 

  • Download and install Dell Support Assist
  • Open Dell Support Assist
  • Click Checkup
  • Click Scan a Specific Device
  • Click System Devices
  • Select the CPU Stress Test and Run it. This Test will load the CPU and Ram to 100% and test it. It will make enough heat to determine if the processor is overheating or not. Check temps and let me know!

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September 1st, 2016 21:00

Thanks I have recently run a stress test using support assist and passed - however that was a short test - I will do it again and also try checking the bios if I notice it happens again.

Thanks

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September 4th, 2016 21:00

I took a screenshot of my temps right after the fps drops in Overwatch just now and also ran the cpu stress test as suggested.

The screenshot below is via Intel Extreme Tuning Utility and shows that throttling is taking place - This was after about 10-15 minutes of playing Overwatch. It shows the cpu running at 0.79ghz.

I was running at 4k with all low settings and 67% render scale. The FPS drops occur regardless of resolution though :(

thermal.jpg

This second screenshot shows the results of the cpu stress test:


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I also checked the BIOS and it detected the 240W power supply.

I think the game might be stressing the system more than the stress test by support assist as it utilises both cpu and gpu simultaneously. 

Let me know your thoughts.

Thanks

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September 5th, 2016 04:00

Just a quick post as this caught my eye.

Mine runs very hot also, 83c CPU in F12 Diagnostics.

But that's all I can get into ATM as the unit has other issues.

Take care.

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September 10th, 2016 09:00

I am sharing a short clip of what happens below: (Note the performance stats at top left as well)

While playing Overwatch my frame rates always drop from the limit of 70 to the 30s and 40s or even lower at a certain point. This renders the game basically unplayable as the movement feels jerky and the sound starts to stutter a lot.

The only solution I have found thus far is to use throttlestop to disable turbo boost and prevent the cpu from going over 2.7ghz. But even this is not foolproof as if I play long enough the throttling still occurs.

I am wondering if my PC's cooling is not performing optimally or if the cpu itself could be defective in some way.

I took the screenshot below immediately after recording the clip above. It shows the processor running at 0.79 ghz. I find it very strange because it shows "package temp" as 66 degrees yet there is 100% throttling.

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September 14th, 2016 23:00

I think there is something seriously wrong here - my system will sit all day, 24/7, at 80+ degrees, and I've never seen it throttling.

It won't be paste, as poor heatsinking would increase the reported temperature. Likewise inadequate cooling. If it thinks it is running at 66 deg, there shouldn't be throttling.

That leaves the other alternative (cpu/mainboard); be interested to hear how it works out.

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September 17th, 2016 12:00

Sorry to hear about your problems bro. I was called by a rep and we ran simultaneous stress tests. Triggered 100% throttling every time. I cant have it rectified as yet however as I am not in the States and would need to transfer my warranty to this country to have someone come an look at it :( I strongly suspect thermal paste was not applied properly or at all. I must admit I am also quite bummed the gtx 10 series laptops are about to drop shortly after purchasing this. I am sincerely hoping Dell/Alienware will give us the opportunity to trade up and if so at reasonable terms considering they are new machines.

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September 17th, 2016 12:00

My AW 17 R3 was made August 2nd and came with bios version 1.2.8 which was released

in March!  Production error?

3 beeps and blank screen right out of the box which went to 4 beeps and blank screen.

Brand new machines and high end cost = open box, turn on, and enjoy.

I also await the interesting outcome.

Hope all works out for you bro!

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September 18th, 2016 22:00

Have you had this problem from new?

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September 19th, 2016 01:00

Yes...bought in April :(

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