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June 5th, 2006 22:00

Display drivers, Windows 98SE

I bought a Dimension, complete with XP Home. I don't really need XP, so the plan was to dual boot with Win98. This requires removal of XP, installation of Win98, then installation of XP.
So I reformatted the hard disk, and set up the partitions that I want. Despite loading Win98 without error, I cannot find a display driver for the E176FP monitor that will run with Win98. Nowhere. Dell support are not able to help either. Has ANYONE found such a piece of software?
Meanwhile, in desperation, I installed an old Diamond Multimedia internal adaptor card (PCI, proven with Win98), thinking I could by-pass the on-board video hardware on the Dimension. Once again - a brick wall. Just cannot get this Diamond card to function.
It seems to me that Dell have so tied up this PC with Windows XP, that it becomes a major task to get rid of this OS! Has anyone been down this route with better success than myself?
Thanks for any advices...
pierre

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June 6th, 2006 05:00

You said "I cannot find a display driver for the E176FP monitor".  Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think what you're looking for is the display driver for the on board graphics chip rather than the monitor.  Exactly what dimension model do you have?  When you installed the PCI card did you also attempt to install the drivers that came with the card?  If you lost the CD you might be able to download these from the card manufacturers’ website. 
 
I'm just curious but why are you switching to Windows 98?  The only reason I could see anyone doing this is if they wanted to run older software or games that won't run on XP.  In my experience XP is much more stable and if you're bothered by the XP look it's very easy to switch to the "Classic" theme and start menu.
 
 

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June 6th, 2006 06:00

Thanks for your reply - answers here:
Yes, you are quite correct, I am talking about the drivers for the on-board graphics chip. Dell have several on their web site, but they are all only for use with XP.
The model is the Dimension 1100.
When installing the graphics adaptor card, I downloaded the drivers from the Diamond site. Its an old card, admittedly, but it has worked with 98 in the past
As for why I want to continue with 98 - well, it meets my requirements. My own experience of 98SE is that it has been very stable. I guess on a philosophical level, I have a major problem with the way the IT industry is fashion-driven, and the succession of software upgrades and re-issues which each company introduces is less about meeting user requirements, and more about maintaining revenue stream for the comapny in question. And finally, I am very familiar with 98, have lots of documentation, and therefore see little reason to chuck that lot and start off with a new OS. Phew!

Thanks again,

pierre

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June 6th, 2006 18:00

Back up your your important data and try these drivers.  According to what I can find out you have the intel 865 graphics controller.  Dell have Windows 98 drivers for your system.  Let us know if it works since you're probably not the only one with this problem.  The two files are the same.. just one is in zip format.  Download the top one since it is exe and you skip having to unzip the file etc.
 
 

Message Edited by russell_314 on 06-06-200602:06 PM

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June 6th, 2006 22:00

Thanks again for your input - here the latest situation.
No important data to backup, as I am working on a totally fressh installation of Win 98SE, having also done a fresh format of C:\
Yes, I'm sure you have correctly identified my graphics controller - full designation is "Intel(R) 82865G Graphics Controller".
I removed the Diamond PCI graphics card.
Started PC. Copied unzipped Intel files to drive D: (from a USB memory stick - I don't have internet access on this Dell machine).
Ran \graphics\setup for auto installation. It ran to completion without error, followed by request to restart, which I did.
PC then hung at W98 splash screen. After some time (just in case) I hit the mains switch.
Restarted in Safe mode. Then exit, and restart in normal mode, followed by info window "Updating System settings...".
This was then (before completion of latter) followed by this error message:
"Your display adapter conflicts with another device in your computer. To correct the problem, click OK to view the properties of this device."
Under the Device Status window appears the following message:
"This device cannot find any free Input/Output Range (I/O) resources to use (Code 12). If you want to use this device ... disable another ... etc Hardware Troubleshooter"

This is in fact the same error messages that I encountered when trying the various Dell (and other) display adapter drivers, so it looks as though I am no further forward.
I checked the Display Adapters under Device Manager, and the correct Intel graphics controller is shown, but with that ominous (and familiar) yellow exclamation mark.
Despite looping round the circuit more than once (safe mode, normal mode), I cannot get past this error condition.

Its this reference to the I/O range resource problem which has me stumped - what can this mean?

Once again, your input is very gratefully recieved - I cannot but feel there must be a solution to this one somewhere.

thanks,

Pierre.

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June 7th, 2006 00:00


It doesn't sound like you've installed the Intel Chipset Drivers for your "Intel 865 GV Chipset" (before the Intel Video drivers).

For more info... "click here" or "click here".

Aloha,
Rod

Message Edited by Akule50 on 06-06-200604:49 PM

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June 8th, 2006 20:00

Good news at last.

Thanks to you, Rod, in alerting me to the requirement to load the chip drivers before the display drivers. This alone did not solve the problem, but you pointed me towards other exchanges of peoples experiences trying to do what I have been struggling with. It was the communication from Msali in January last year which held the final clue - the memory conflict, caused by ACPI having been installed. I too had exactly that memory conflict problem.

So I (reformted C: again - sigh!), and ran the Windows 98 installer again, having long since copied the entire CD to D:. The magic command was D:\setup /p i which ensured that ACPI was not installed.

Once Win98 was in, I ran the Intel chip drivers, which went without error.

I then ran the Intel display driver software, and this succeeded without error. I must have the wrong file from the Intel site, because it prompted me to identify the location of file ikch8xx.cat. I couldn't find this anywhere in the zip file I downloaded. Nevertheless, I was able to set the display characteristics of the screen, so obviously that is working.

However, sting in the tail, and something I was half expecting - on restarting the PC, it hangs at the splash screen! This must be to do with the lack of the file ikch8xx.cat. Anybody any thoughts on this?

But nearly there - thanks very much, lads!

pierre

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June 9th, 2006 21:00


Check out the thread in the following link. (This is from the 2nd link in my previous post)... "A few of us have played around with installing Win98SE on a few newer Dell Notebooks (I-6000, 9300 and a Latitude D610). The process would be the same for a Desktop. "Click here" to see the thread (easier to read if you log-out, first)."

It could be an IRQ Resource Conflict that's preventing you from booting... (scroll down toward the end of page 2 (^ link)... hopefully, you can get to "Safe Mode" and change/resolve it...). Uninstall/ reinstall video drivers... after.

Or if you have more than 512MB of RAM installed... this could also cause it to hang. (Remove (physically) the extra stick of RAM or for 1GB RAM: use "Sysedit" and add a MaxPhysPage=40000 entry in the "[386enh] section" of "SYSTEM.INI" - "click here")

Aloha,
Rod

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June 10th, 2006 18:00

Thanks for that, Rod - the thread you drew my attention to is a very considerable resource.

In the event, I removed my Intel display drivers, and then re-installed them again, and the reinstallation went through without any errors this time. Boot up and close down now operating swiftly, just as they should. So I guess that completes it. Everything appears to be running well. Quite why that initial huccup appeared I have no idea, but it wouldn't be the first time I solved a problem by uninstalling and re-installing.

Thanks again!

pierre
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