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November 16th, 2019 19:00

Optiplex 9010 upgrade

Hi Group,

I have the above mentioned desktop which has been trouble free. Running Windows 7 pro, 64 bit, 8 gb ram, I7-3770 processor. I ignored the free upgrade to Windows 10 unfortunately, is there a way to still get windows 10 free? 

If so I'm considering upping my ram and getting a SSD. It seems this computer could still have some life left.

Thanks for suggestion/comments

Best 

  • speedstep

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    Posted November 17th, 2019 04:00

    Windows 10 is still almost free using OEM system builder DVD and installing with the "I dont have a key option"

    You install without a key and then change the key to the WIN7 Home or Pro key on the COA sticker.

    You go to the activation screen where it says change key or you run ADMIN command prompt and SLUI 3

    Doesnt matter which DVD you use aka home and pro use the same media.

    https://www.newegg.com/microsoft-windows-10-pro-64-bit-reinstall-recovery-disc-only-no-license-key-included/p/N82E16832350238

     

    There are no windows 10 Drivers but the Cab File with all the drivers works fine.

    You download the WIN7 cab file 9010-win7-A08-MPTNY.CAB and move to the my documents folder.

    https://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/04/Drivers/DriversDetails?driverId=MPTNY

    https://dl.dell.com/FOLDER02076459M/1/9010-win7-A08-MPTNY.CAB

     

     

    Then extract the contents using 7 zip.  Any yellow ! in device manager you tell windows update driver from my pc instead of from the internet and everything installs and works just fine.

    https://www.7-zip.org/download.html

     

     

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    Posted November 17th, 2019 12:00

    Appreciate the info, the 9010 is getting up there in years, any thoughts on whether it might be best to just purchase a newer model? 

    If I was to stick with the 9010, I found this upgrade drive https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-upgrade-kit-solid-state-drive-256-gb-sata-6gb-s/apd/a9794106/storage-drives-media

    I'm just on the fence whether to upgrade this unit. I'm a light user, mostly email and internet cruising.

    Thanks

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    Posted November 17th, 2019 13:00

    I think your current 9010 with SSD and maybe a RAM upgrade should serve your needs pretty well.

    The linked kit will work well, but maybe you should consider other options as well. $100 would buy you 500GB Samsung EVO 860 or 1TB from less famous brand (Adata, Kingston, Sandisk, ...).

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    Posted November 18th, 2019 08:00

    Was thinking of getting a smaller SSD for the operating system (250 gb), and a larger standard drive for my data storage etc. Would a larger SSD be advantageous? Thanks

    P.S. I'm going to replace the coin cell and re apply thermal paste to my processor. If the computer still works afterwards I'll be going for the upgrade, looking forward to it!

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    Posted November 18th, 2019 09:00

    Adding the SSD to existing HDD is popular option, as you get both a fast storage and a large storage, just not in one package. 250GB is a good choice - not too small for OS and apps, but not too expensive.

    Dont forget to grab SATA cable, if you opt for 3rd party SSD, and only use the motherboard ports marked SATA0 and SATA1 for SSD - the port marked SATA2 is only SATA 3Gbps and would slow down the SSD (sorry if obvious).

    PS: if the computer is a fun project of sorts, maybe consider M.2 PCIe x4 SSD. It does not add much over SATA except for the fleeting feeling of accomplishment, when you finally get the thing running 

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    Posted November 18th, 2019 12:00

    Cool, thanks for the heads-up on the SATA0,1 channels. I'll do some looking into the M.2 option, would the M.2 provide faster transfer speeds?

     

  • speedstep

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    Posted November 18th, 2019 14:00

    9010 DOES NOT HAVE and WILL NEVER HAVE M2 PCI-E option.

  • bradthetechnut

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    Posted November 18th, 2019 19:00

    Hi @GeodeNZ,

    If you compare SSD transfer speeds, you'll find a 256GB is slightly faster than a 128GB SSD, but won't be noticeable if you compared use side by side with the same system.  I'd go with the size you want first.

    Increasing RAM and using a SSD definitely increases speed.  I did that with my 755 and even the lagging USB's speeded up and don't lag anymore.

    You're system is also SATA III.  If you bought a new PC, like an Optiplex, with an I7, it would have SATA III.  Add more than 8GB of RAM.  And the system wouldn't be cheap and wouldn't hardly be cost effective as compared to what you want to do.

    Newer than 9010 Optiplex's don't have the numbers for diagnostic l.e.d.'s, just a blinking power button to decipher if something goes wrong.  Mini towers are smaller with smaller PSU's so upgrade options are a bit limited.

    A 9010 with an I7 is what I want to replace my 755.

    Also, before investing in RAM, you might try the SSD first, then see if you want more RAM.  It sounds like you're current RAM is sufficient for what you use it for.  My 755 MT with 8GB ram seemlessly runs recording studio software, yet it's a SATA II system.  (I still want SATA III.  In some ways, it still has my 755 beat.)

    If using non-Dell RAM, Crucial comes highly recommended by the Rockstars in this forum.  It's guaranteed to work in Dell's and has a lifetime warranty.  Not wanting to invest that much in my 755, I use A-Tech, which also has a lifetime warranty.

    The 9010's tech is still relevant in today's world.  Optiplex's were built to stay that way a long time.

    Optiplex 9010 Tech Guide 

    So, how's all that?

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    Posted November 18th, 2019 23:00

    @speedstep  Never? The 9010 does have PCI-E x16 and x16 wired as x4 slots. There are many PCI-E to M.2 PCI-E adapters on the market and installing one of those is about as difficult as installing graphics card or other expansion card. Windows 10 is going to recognize the drive.

    Booting Windows 10 from such drive may be more challenging, as the 9010 may not support it as a boot option, but even that can be bypassed by using boot manager on supported boot media such as USB (flash) drive.

    Admittedly it may be more complicated, more expensive (2,5" SATA SSDs are pretty cheap) and chances are most users wont even notice the performance increase over SATAIII, but it seems like an option.

  • speedstep

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    Posted November 19th, 2019 07:00

    M2 PCI-E requires 120b/130b line coding with PCI-E 3.0

    Fitting into the slot is only 1 piece.

    This is a known issue back to 2009. 8b/10b PCI-E 2.X line code vs 120b/130b Line code as well as the bus clock being 8gbps instead of 5gbps.

     

    https://www.intel.com/content/dam/doc/guide/pci-express3-phy-implementation-considerations-idf2009-presentation.pdf

     

    https://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/optix/en/dell_optiplex_9010_spec_sheet.pdf

    Q77 Express chipset is PCI-E 2.0 Bus  NOT 3.0

    https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/64027/intel-q77-express-chipset.html

     

    M2 PCI-E is version 3.0

    https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/memory-storage/solid-state-drives/consumer-ssds/600p-series/600p-512gb-m-2-80mm-3d1.html