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August 1st, 2005 11:00

Add space to Raid 1?

  In the Dell OpenManage Array Manager, there is a "reconfigure" option, which includes the ability to "Add space without changing the current RAID type".  I have a PowerEdge 2400 with the Perc 2/Si.  Had 2 36 Gig drives in a Raid 1/Mirror setup. One drive failed.  Tried to replace it, but they don't sell that anymore, so I got 2 73 Gig drives instead.  Had a problem with the whole Ghost thing, so I ended up pulling the bad drive and putting in a 73 and letting it rebuild.  Then I pulled the good 36 and put in the other 73 and let it rebuild again.  So now I have a working Mirror with 2 73 Gig drives, using 36 Gig of space, wasting the rest.  So my question is:  Can I use Array manager to change the space to the 73 gig without losing data, or will that wipe out the whole thing and give me a nice clean 73 gig empty mirror.  I'm not extremely familiar with RAID, obviously.  I know I can't just switch from RAID 1 to RAID 5 without losing everything, but was hoping maybe adding space was fairly simple.  Or will I need to back up, reconfigure, and restore (or try something with Ghost again) in order for this to work?

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August 1st, 2005 15:00

Hi Paul,

  Can you add space to the 36 GB RAID 1, without adding a drive? No, That is not an allowed operation.

You CAN add additional drives and convert it to a RAID 5 without loosing the data, however if I read between the lines, you want to use all the space on the pair of 73's. Here is a method...

Reinstall the "Good" 36 GB drive, initialize it, and make a RAID 0 36 GB logical drive on it. go to the OS disk management and set up a S/W RAID 1 between the original H/W RAID 1 and the new drive. After the data has been copied, break the mirror and edit the boot.ini on the "new" drive, or create a fault tolerant boot floppy. (see M/S technet articles relating if you need to see how these tasks are done).

Power down remove the 36 GB drive, go into CTRL A and delete the RAID 1, then create a new RAID 1 using all 73 GB on both drives. power down, reinstall the 36 GB and boot to it. Do the S/W mirror thing again, break it, and edit the boot.ini on the H/W RAID (if you did not go the fault tolerant boot disk route).

This will give you your original 36 GB volume with 36 GB of unused space that can be added to a D: or used to make a new partition. the RAID 0 36 GB can be used as a backup of the O/S or be cleared out and used for your page file and temp files. (to back up the O/S, just mirror it in S/W).

Advisories: Run a scrub or consistancy check on the RAID 1 before you start. Run a verify on the 36 GB drive to remap any bad sectors before you start. If you have a TBU or other backup method, make a backup and test it before you start. Read the technet articles relating to the procedures for S/W mirror, editing the Boot.ini, and creating a fault tolerant boot floppy.

Warwizard DCSP

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August 1st, 2005 16:00

Thanks.  I guess I'm confused about the "reconfiguration" feature.  What DOES it do, if not resize.  One of the options is "Add space without changing the current RAID type".  Then, under "Array Disk Status Information", one of the status messages is "Reconstruction", defined as "The configuration of a virtual disk has been changed. The individual array disks within the virtual disk are being modified to support the changes. The data on the virtual disk will be saved. You cannot cancel a virtual disk reconstruction."  I read these two things to mean that it WAS possible to reconfigure a "virtual disk" to a different size, (or at least a larger size), and also seemed to indcate that this could be done "live" and without losing data.  But I've been known to misinterpret before, and the documentation on this procedure appears to be extremely limted (as in, everything I've quoted here is all I can find!), so I was hoping somebody could clarify.

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August 1st, 2005 17:00

Paul,

 Yes the utility says that, but when you actually go into the reconfiguration utility, it will not let you add additional space. Sorry but that's the bottom line on Array manager.

 There is a different utility that says it can do the job... the FASTCLI (command line interface)

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/storage/RAID/ROMB25/cli-rg/index.htm FASTCLI and Array manager cannot coexist, you MUST remove array manager (and reinstall the driver) before installing the FASTCLI.

 Please note that the command line utilities are not for the faint of heart or the unskilled. Note it says partition size, not volume size, so read the definations of terms to make sure of exactly what you will be doing.

Warwizard

"

container reconfigure

To change the configuration of a container, use the container reconfigure command. The container reconfigure command allows you to perform the following operations:

  • Transform a container from one type to another typeYou can transform a container from one type to another type. For example, you can transform a stripe set into a RAID-5 set. In this case, the stripe set changes to a RAID-5 set and remains the same size. You specify the appropriate switches that the container reconfigure command provides to transform a container.
  • Add more SCSI drives to a containerYou can add more SCSI drives to a container by specifying one or more SCSI devices. This action extends the container. The command uses the freespace(s) from the SCSI device(s) you specify to reconfigure the container.For example, you can extend a stripe set by specifying one or more SCSI devices. In this case, the stripe set grows, but remains a stripe set.
  • Change a container's chunk sizeYou can change a container's chunk size by specifying the appropriate switch with a valid chunk size. For example, you can change the chunk size of a stripe set from 16K to 32K.
  • Change a container's partition size You can change a container's partition size by specifying the appropriate switch with a valid partition size. For example, you can change the partition size of a mirror set from 500 MB to 800 MB.
  • Extend an existing file systemYou can extend an existing file system by specifying the appropriate switch. (The command extends the file system after completing the reconfigure operation.)
  • Move partitions to other disksYou can move a container's partitions to other disks by specifying the appropriate switches with a valid partition or partitions. For example, you can move three entries of a RAID-5 set to new disks.

You can combine the previously listed operations. See the Flexible Array Storage Tool User's Guide for more information on how to combine these operations."

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August 3rd, 2005 09:00

Try downloading the Extpart.exe utility from Dell and extending your partition thay way
Please read the extpart.txt prior to attempting any expansion.

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August 25th, 2005 18:00

Hi,

Can the ExtPart.exe utility be used to extend the c: drive which is part of a Raid 1 controlled by a Perc 4/dc controller?

Raid1 2 x 146Gb SCSI

c: partition of 6.5Gb for Windows server 2003
d: partition of 130Gb for data.

Regards,
Cannucci

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August 25th, 2005 18:00

My problem is that I don't need to extend the partition, I need to make the whole container bigger.  I was hoping that was somehow possible.  I guess I'm going to have to go the long way 'round, and do some ghosting, some deleting, some creating, and some ghosting.   At least I won't waste time trying to do something that can't be done.  Thanks.
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