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April 8th, 2014 22:00
MD3420 - Does it have a faster controller?
Has anyone had a chance to try the new MD34xx line? We have quite a few MD3220's deployed in our datacenter, and noticed today that the MD3420 line was added to the Storage site. It's possible it's been on there for a while, but I just noticed it today.
Sounds like in terms of features it's about the same as the MD3220, with the most obvious difference being 12GB/s SAS. In general, we never really had any issues with the 6GB/s SAS since there are 4 lanes per physical interconnect. Only under very specific workloads on a test bench was able to push close to the 2000MB/sec limit (theoretically, it's 24GB/s but I guess due to signaling overhead that's not really possible with a single interconnect).
Does anyone know if the RAID controllers received an upgrade as well? The details are pretty sparse on Dell's Support site, and I can't find a Technical Guide Book that discusses details on the controllers. Our only issue was that the RAID controllers started to bottleneck after adding more than 96 drives. So I'm really hoping that the MD3420 received an upgraded CPU to hopefully help utilize the new 12GB/s backplane.
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jeffhoward014
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April 9th, 2014 11:00
So leveraging the MD3220 Technical Guide Book, it's probably safe to say that the MD32xx are using the LSI SAS 2108 6Gb/s SAS RoC and the MD34xx are using the LSI SAS 3108 12Gb/s SAS RoC?
If so, do you publish any IOPs improvements for the new dual-core controllers?
Also, in the table above it says "Dual 6G" expansion interfaces for the new 34xx, but from the photos of the new 34xx controllers online, there appear to be 4x 12G (mini-SAS) "SAS Out" ports. I would assume the SAS out ports support 12G, right?
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April 9th, 2014 11:00
Hello jeffhoward014,
With the new MD34xx / MD 38xx units here is some info about the differences. http://i.dell.com/sites/doccontent/shared-content/data-sheets/en/Documents/SS694_PowerVault_MD3_SAS_012214.pdf
Here is a little bit more of a break down about the differences as well:
MD32XX/MD36XX
Current Generation
MD34XX/MD38XX
Next Generation
Controller Processor
ROC
Dual Core ROC
Controller Memory
2GB or 4GB
4GB or 8GB
Host Interface
Quad port 1G iSCSI
Dual port 10G iSCSI
Quad port 8G FC
Quad port 6G SAS
Dual port 10G iSCSI + SAS
Quad port 16G FC+ SAS
Quad port 12G SAS
Maximum Drives
192 HDDs for 2U enclosure
180 HDDs for 4U enclosure
24 SSDs
192 HDDs for 2U enclosure
180 HDDs for 4U enclosure
120 SSDs for 2U enclosure
75 SSDs for 4U enclosure
Expansion Interface
Dual 6G SAS
Dual 6G SAS
HDDs supported in 2U Chassis
146GB / 300GB 15K SAS (2.5” drives)
146GB / 300GB / 600GB / 900GB / 1.2TB 10K SAS (2.5” drives)
500GB / 1TB / 2TB / 3TB / 4TB 7.2K NL-SAS
(3.5” drives)
146GB / 300GB 15K SAS (2.5” drives)
146GB / 300GB / 600GB / 900GB / 1.2TB 10K SAS (2.5” drives)
500GB / 1TB / 2TB / 3TB / 4TB 7.2K NL-SAS
(3.5” drives)
HDDs supported in 4U Chassis
500GB / 1TB / 2TB / 3TB / 4TB 7.2K NL-SAS
(3.5” drives must be 7.2K)
500GB / 1TB / 2TB / 3TB / 4TB 7.2K NL-SAS
(3.5” drives must be 7.2k)
Enclosure Support
2U12, 2U24, 4U60
2U12, 2U24, 4U60
Please let us know if you have any other questions.
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April 9th, 2014 13:00
Hello jeffhoward014,
So leveraging the MD3220 Technical Guide Book, it's probably safe to say that the MD32xx are using the LSI SAS 2108 6Gb/s SAS RoC and the MD34xx are using the LSI SAS 3108 12Gb/s SAS RoC? Yes that is correct.
If so, do you publish any IOPs improvements for the new dual-core controllers? I personally haven’t seen the IOPS #’s myself so I am unsure of those numbers to know if they have changed or not.
Also, in the table above it says "Dual 6G" expansion interfaces for the new 34xx, but from the photos of the new 34xx controllers online, there appear to be 4x 12G (mini-SAS) "SAS Out" ports. I would assume the SAS out ports support 12G, right? No that is not correct, as only the SAS in (Host Ports) are 12G on the MD34xx/ MD38xx. The SAS out (to connect an MD1200 enclosure) are 6G SAS connections. In the picture I can see where you might think that the SAS out ports is 12G by the label, but that label is referring to the SAS in ports.
Please let us know if you have any other questions.
iverson_it
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April 15th, 2014 09:00
What's the difference between the 34xx and 38xx?
Will controllers from the 34xx line works in the 32xx chassis?
Will the md32xx line still receive firmware updates?
Will the md32xx share the same firmware as the md34xx (receiving updates at the same time?
Is it possible to update the controller from an md3220 to one with a bigger cache ? The pdf located here says that the md3220 has also a controller with 4gb cache : i.dell.com/.../BRO018_PowerVault_MDStorageFamilyBrochure_012214.pdf
iverson_it
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April 15th, 2014 09:00
When will the powervault support odx?
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April 15th, 2014 11:00
Hello iverson_it,
What's the difference between the 34xx and 38xx? The main difference is that the MD34xx is a beginner SAN while the MD38xx is typical purchased by larger customers. Also the starting pricing is cheaper for an MD34xx than an MD38xx.
Will controllers from the 34xx line works in the 32xx chassis? No the controllers from MD34xx line will not work with the MD32xx line due to the connection to the backplane in the MD34xx is a 12gb backplane & the MD32xx is a 6gb backplane.
Will the md32xx line still receive firmware updates? Yes the MD32xx will still receive product updates till it is EOL. I am not sure when the EOL data is as it has not been set yet to my knowledge.
Will the md32xx share the same firmware as the md34xx (receiving updates at the same time? I am not sure if it will share the same exact firmware as the 34xx, but both firmware will be released close to the same time if not at the same time until the MD32xx is EOL which I don’t have a date for the MD32xx EOL.
Is it possible to update the controller from an md3220 to one with a bigger cache ? The pdf located here says that the md3220 has also a controller with 4gb cache : i.dell.com/.../BRO018_PowerVault_MDStorageFamilyBrochure_012214.pdf Yes you can upgrade the MD32xx controller to the 4GB cache controller if you are currently using the 2GB controller as we sell both a 2GB cache & a 4GB cache controller for the MD32xx systems.
When will the powervault support odx? I am not sure about ODX but I am looking into that & once I have an answer I will post that information back here.
Please let us know if you have any other questions.
iverson_it
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April 15th, 2014 19:00
Is it possible to update the controller from an md3220 to one with a bigger cache ? The pdf located here says that the md3220 has also a controller with 4gb cache : i.dell.com/.../BRO018_PowerVault_MDStorageFamilyBrochure_012214.pdf Yes you can upgrade the MD32xx controller to the 4GB cache controller if you are currently using the 2GB controller as we sell both a 2GB cache & a 4GB cache controller for the MD32xx systems.
Hi Sam,
Regardign the above, what is the part number for the controller with 4gb cache? is it also a faster controller as well? Can we upgrade only the cache instead of the whole controller? is there an upgrade scenario where you take back the old controller?
Hope it won't be EOL soon as customers just purchasing the MD32XX line would be quite furious if the firmware development stopped soon after purchase. Some of our customers just did and optioned the MD wit 5 year prosupport. Will wonder in 2-3 years what will happened when their MD won't even support then the current operating systems.
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April 16th, 2014 12:00
Hello iverson_it,
Here is the Dell part# JYTHW for the 4gb controller. The controller is not any faster than the 2GB controller it just has an increased cache memory. Dell doesn’t sell just the Cache memory upgrade for the controller so you would need to get the new controller. No there is no upgrade scenario that I know of where we take back the old controller. If it was me I would just keep the older controller just in case I had one stop working and I can us it as a replacement until my replacement controller arrived under warranty replacement, or if I had an MD32xx that was no longer under warranty then I would keep it for spare parts for that system.
On average most of our systems have a life expectancy of 5 years. This isn't based on time as much as it is based on warranty hardware availability. Once they start to EOL, meaning they are no longer sold online, it is all a basis of warranty parts availability. Once exhausted the system finishes EOL.
Please let us know if you have any other questions.