Considering to upgrade from 8Gb to 16Gb of RAM to Precision T1700

>What are the sources for your allegations?

25 years of experience. And absence of these brands on corporate market. They never offer their products to corporate segment because can not withstand penalties. The exception is Samsung, which can offer cutting edge &'%$%&&'%&(very unreliable) very very cheaply. But when buying such modules with personal budget - you are on your own.

>It hasn't made my recommendation list

Hynix is the base for many OEM modules, modules top rated by overclockers amongst them. But Hynix is a chip maker. The module that you buy in retail may be a total crp, depending on the factory. Those used by top PC makers like Dell are of different breed.

@bradthetechnut  I agree with you.

My 45 years experience with ATEK or TIMETEK and some of the other vendors is fine when you buy them from Amazon or some other vendor that has a return guarantee.  Burning them in 24 x 7 for a week or so usually weeds out the less than stellar modules if any.

Its also amusing when buying PNY or Corsair at best buy and they offer you a warranty as well.  I then ask them so you are guaranteeing that I will live forever because the manufacturer has lifetime warranty? an extension on that would be at least past 100 years.

I tend to buy the more expensive modules anyway from PNY or Corsair not because of warranty but because they are CAS 9 9 9 27 instead of CAS 11 ram.  Its a noticeable difference in performance. 

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-CMZ16GX3M2A1600C10B-Vengeance-1600MHz-Desktop/dp/B009M0TCK8/

Spd latency 9-9-9-27,

SPD speed 1333MHz,

SPD voltage 1.5V

Vostro 470 is also in the same Genre.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13vY67_sXbg

@bradthetechnut 

I use non ECC XMP PNY Ram and it works fine for my T1700 or 9020 Mini Tower.  There is little to no gain however having 32 vs 16 gigs of ram.  CAS9 vs CAS 11 ram however makes a huge difference.  I buy 32 gigs at a time because its not always available and X51 motherboards and T1700 motherboards etc are inexpensive at times on ebay.

Windows 10 is absolutely supported and T1700 units tend to have WIN8.1 PRO key in bios so installing 10 is essentially free. 

https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000122016/

T1700 also has TPM 1.2 and other features like thunderbolt expansion etc. Overall its a good starting point if you know what you are doing in regards to the case, power supply front panel etc.  You can absolutely get a nice case like NZXT H510 working with boards like that.

I purchased 4 more T1700 boards for $25 each free shipping on ebay.

Dell Optiplex 9020 7020 T1700 XE2 SFF PC Power 1KN97 01KN97

Pretty sure these are all the same board with similar parts.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/353480900399

You will also see 7020 9020 boards at a reasonable price.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/163869487816

I also have windows 11 preview running on the T1700 I'm using right now with secure boot enabled and OEM Dell GT1030 video card. This system will eventually go to one of my nephews for a gaming rig once I get my hands on a reasonably priced RTX 3060. The OEM Dell GT1030 is for testing and maintenance as part of my toolbox of parts.

The T1700 and 9020 mini tower also use the same power supply 365W.

The same ram works in my Optiplex 9020 as well as my Inspiron 3847.

My X51 R2 is limited to 16 gigs because it only has 2 slots.

Same with Inspiron 3847.

The ECC is a grey area because it depends on the CPU.

When you use Core I3 I5 I7 4th Gen Haswell in T1700 you cannot use ecc ram.

>Burning them in 24 x 7 for a week

Nothing can be more than doing that on ECC RAM.

Enable RMT, the first ECC error will be logged in BIOS log. Run TM5 (heavy random pattern RAM test for Windows x64, i.e. probably the heaviest RAM test in the world). 6 hours will be enough, then check the log.

>45 years experience with ATEK or TIMETEK

Why not 85? Who gives more? 45 years ago RAM was generally non-upgradable by user, and from retail specifically. You had to order chips or assemblies for DEC from DEC in order it to work smoothly.

show me a website, do the even got on IPO? PNY is a cheap maker which became known during IC supply crisis in early 2000s. Quality or reliability are not in their dictionary.

>they are CAS 9 9 9 27 instead of CAS 11 ram.

Retail makers may write any CAS they want in SPD on the same chips, while the return rate is not overwhelming. Retail market can not create burst return tsunami like it is possible at enterprise market.

P.S. with non-ECC it is even simpler, TM5 will just count errors.

@tvcvijju 

Nothing whatsoever wrong with Timetec.  Its just my personal preference to use CAS 9 9 9 27 ram instead of CAS 11 ram.  And yes that ram is non ECC and works in many models including the 9020 etc.

DDR3L 1600MHz PC3L-12800 240-Pin Unbuffered Non-ECC 1.35V / 1.5V CL11
Dual Rank 2Rx8 based 512x8
Module Size: 16GB KIT(2x8GB Modules)
Package: 2x8GB ;
JEDEC standard 1.35V or 1.5V

@Andy812 

"Why not 85? Who gives more? 45 years ago RAM was generally non-upgradable by user, and from retail specifically. You had to order chips or assemblies for DEC from DEC in order it to work smoothly.

show me a website, do the even got on IPO? PNY is a cheap maker which became known during IC supply crisis in early 2000s. Quality or reliability are not in their dictionary."

  Derogatory and disrespectful comments are a violation of TOS. PNY is carried Retail by Best Buy and many other retail vendors.  I have no reason to doubt their quality or reliability.  Derogatory statements about users or companies without attribution is not allowed.

Ram has been available for quite some time.

2114 Ram Chips were not from DEC.

INTEL 4004 was first commercially available in July 1971  50 years ago. There were many commercial products that pre date DOS including the Apple II from 1977  44 years ago.

Although the MITS Altair 8800 personal computer seemed to be first credit for PC's becoming affordable must go to IMS Associates Imsai 8080.

MSDOS was compiled on INTEL Intellec box using CPM in 1981. The IBM PC had individual Ram chips that were available retail

No Idea why you mention DEC because the PDP 8 and PDP11 used magnetic core memory not DRAM.

Vax 11 780 also was not a pc.

>PNY is carried Retail by Best Buy

i.e. cheapest of the cheap. Electronic from BestBuy does not worth a work spent on listing it in the catalogue.

>derogatory - showing a critical or disrespectful attitude.

Yes, I have the rights to be critical and show disrespect in acceptable language.

It is written in your Bill of Rights, and all the demоcratiс constitutions in the world - freedom of speech, and personal opinion. So that's what I am doing.

That has nothing to do with our Dell funded and run DCF (Dell Community Forum). Read the DCF Code of Conduct policy which you agreed to when joining. Attacking language towards other users will not be permitted.
DELL-Chris M

>2114 Ram Chips were not from DEC.

Of course not! The quаlity of chiрs 45 yeаrs ago required the system manufacturer manually checking every chiр, or at least the batсh. Or supply preassembled modules. That's why RAM was crazy expensive and shipped by system makers at that time. But you obviously did not know that. It is that easy checking Wikipedia for the IC manufacturer.

magnetic memory... man, you have missed another 20 years... MicroVAX were already using dynamic ram modules. There were plenty of PDP command set compatible CMOS machines in 80s. including microcomputers. but even Sinclair guys were checking every their chip on the board, returns were above 15%.