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October 8th, 2007 05:00

How do you backup your email extender server?

It seems to be a headache for us. We have Lotus notes. We just installed email extender and the container volume is already 2.5Tb in size and it is expected to grow even larger. It takes 45 hours or sometimes longer to do full backups of all that data. The must be a better/faster way to do it. We are using netbackup and have a separate stream for that volume. Could you share your experiences with backups of that container volume.

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October 9th, 2007 15:00

It may not be a bad idea to look at the DiskXtender archiving software. Using DX you can migrate the containers to EMC Centera, NAS or MO Optical.
DX leaves behind a 'stub' file which is only 1500 bytes.
Net result should be faster backup and restores as well as less inactive data in your backup set.

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October 10th, 2007 08:00

I thought EmailExtender has some part of DiskExtender product already. We do leave stubs on the actual email Notes server and all the "short-cutted" data is going to EmailExtender server. that EmailExtender server is growing very fast and that is the data we need to backup.
Moving that data to any other location would still require a backup of the data and I wonder how it would be accomplished.
Ok I agree that Centerra would not require a backup, but we are still not sold on that solution of a 'black box' that takes care of everything for us.

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October 10th, 2007 10:00

DX is a separate product. The .emx files (containers) make up the majority of data storage on an EmailXtender server. DX will migrate those files and leave behind a stub in the NTFS file system thus speeding up a file level backup. This is different than the shortcut in the Notes database.

Data archived by DX can be protected a number of different ways depending on the technology used. For example, in the MO world we often create a copy of the physical platter for offsite storage. DX also supports MultiTarget Media Groups so data can be archived to up to 4 locations simultaneously.

Hope this helps.

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October 30th, 2007 07:00

You would generally stop the services on the EmailXtender server using pre/post scripting in NetWorker. It is also possible to merge containers back into the EmailXtender server so you could quite simply move them elsewhere using the correct process, as long as you have a copy you can merge back in if data restoration is required.

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November 28th, 2007 07:00

You might need to distinguish between backup and archiving to reduce your backup times.

The .emx container files are archives and will never change* once they have been written. Therefore you might wish to consider keeping a tape archive of the older container files that is managed separately from the regular backups. Then only include the more recent container files in your regular backups.

In the event of a disaster recovery, you would be able to recover the older containers from tape, separately from the more recently backed up items.

The rest of the installation would still need to be backed up as normal though.

* Can anyone confirm this assertion. Its certainly the case in normal use, but what happens to the container if an EX administrator explicitly deletes a message?

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November 28th, 2007 07:00

sounds like an interesting solution - in theory - but practically, how is Netbackup going to separate those old containers from the new ones. Currently we are backing up the whole volume (2.5 Tb in size and growing) and I don't think there is an easy way to separate that volume into chunks that would contain old containers and newer ones..
Please explain how exactly you are envisioning it to be implemented

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November 28th, 2007 08:00

I had assumed that the backup solution was sophisticated enough to only back up items that have changed since a specified date or that scripting of some nature could be used to only back up the more recent items based upon the folder naming, since the emx. container files are stored in monthly folders named like:

Email_Vault_(Cabinet Name)_(Folder Name)_YYYYMM

However I have no depth of experience with the Netbackup product, so cannot advise on specifics there.

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November 29th, 2007 15:00

On the question regarding deletes . . . EX will overwrite the .emx file with whitespace. It also removes the pointer in the the SQL db and the ISYS index.

On the NetWorker question . . wouldn't you just perform an incremental backup for the container volume?

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November 30th, 2007 12:00

I had assumed that the backup solution was sophisticated enough to only back up items that have changed since a specified date or that scripting of some nature could be used to only back up the more recent items


yes, it sure has this functionality (called incremental or differential backups), but this way you are relying on that archive too much. Basically you'll just have one master copy of that old backup and just create incrementals to it. What if you have a corrupt backup, missing tape, etc...I still don' consider it a possible solution...

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December 4th, 2007 08:00

I would presume that you would create more than one backup copy , I know that one tape set is not to be relied upon. I was assuming that you might have a regular monthly or bi monthly backup of the older container files on rotating sets of tapes so that you always have an overlapping set of backups available. Then just have incremental backups on your normal backup shedule for just the last months or two months containers.

Since the previous month and older container files are not likely to change they can be backed up outside your normal backup window taking some of the stress out of the backup process.

Ideally you need to be using a Centera to hold these container files, archiving them but still having them available on-line if needed, with no backup required. Once they are archived in a Centera they do not need backing up as it duplicates storage and self heals internally ensuring that 2 copies of the data coexist at any time. If you have the Centera mirroring to a second site you have complete physical security for the container files in the event of a disaster.
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