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October 13th, 2006 07:00

Vista Capable Explained

I found this today at PC World:
 
PCs with the Windows Vista Capable logo can run lower-end versions of Vista, such as Windows Vista Home Basic. Meanwhile, Windows Vista Premium Ready means the machines can run the higher-end versions of Vista, such as Windows Vista Home Premium and Windows Vista Ultimate.

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October 13th, 2006 08:00

Hi JM,
 
Yes, glad to see someone else was under the same impression (I got my impression from the Microsoft Vista site) - so I was shocked to see my M2010 labelled as Capable only!!!
 
 
I am HOPING!!!
 
What do you think?

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October 13th, 2006 09:00

Yes, I know that.
 
On the Dell product info site they say all XPS are Premium ready - BUT with that caveat as I posted - and the machine is labelled as Capable, not Premium ready.  I am assuming they believe based on the releases to date the XPS will be Premium ready, but given the final version hasn't gone to market, they are only prepared to label the machines as Capable in case some tweaking has to be done to the machines produced after that.
 
My concern is, IF tweaking is necessary, where does that leave those of us who purchased XPS machines before the market release of Vista?  We miss out on any tweaking required, yet purchased a machine that is being marketed as Premium ready - caveat or no caveat, the site still says Premium ready on the main advertising blurb.

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October 13th, 2006 09:00

The key is the video card and the RAM.

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October 14th, 2006 12:00

MAIN THING IS THE VIEO CARD WITH WDDM

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October 14th, 2006 16:00

What Dell says on their site on this subject :

" Based on currently available information from Microsoft. Requirements subject to change. Since the operating system and drivers are not final at this time, Windows Vista™ has not been tested on all user configurations. Dell systems must be configured with a minimum of 512MB system memory (RAM) for "Windows Vista Capable" designation. Systems which meet only minimum requirements for the "Windows Vista Capable" designation will not provide the full benefits of "Premium Ready", including the Aero interface. Some Dell systems may not meet the requirements for Premium Ready, no matter the configuration. Please visit www.windowsvista.com/getready for more information

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October 14th, 2006 16:00

I have a Dell Deminsion 8400 and Vista Aero works great! I do not know what video card I have... but it was whatever came on that system. There was no tweaking needed for Aero to run. When I upgraded, everything worked except thr following:
Dell AIO Printer (VERY frustrating)
And my ATI Control panel - (But I am still able to use windows to adjust all my display properties).

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October 14th, 2006 23:00

I feel I am going around and around in circles here.  Yes, that is exactly what I am trying to discuss.  If you look at my original post (link in my message above), it is the hedging of bets that I am concerned about.  The XPS machines are marketed as Premium ready, labelled Capable, and the marketing carries a caveat.
 
So, in reality, although based on the configuration of the M2010 and all available information from both Dell and Microsoft AT THIS Time, the XPS machines are believed by Dell to be Premium ready, but Dell have stopped short of labelling them as such until the final Vista version goes to market.
 
Now, that is where my concerns come in as expressed on my original post and above.
 
It seems I am the only one who can see the conflict here.  I am not talking about RAM or anything else - the XPS machines clearly SHOULD meet the hardware specs of Vista.  But for those of use who have purchased during this interim period there MAY be a situation where a compatibility issue arises with a driver or some other aspect of the machines.
 
I am going to give up on this topic now, for clearly I am not explaining myself in a way that others can comprehend! 

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October 15th, 2006 01:00

Thanks JM.  I do think so too, but I just wanted to see other's opinions.
 
I think as far as updating programs I should be fine - I am deliberately keeping this machine relatively clean (not being a gamer, that is quite easy - LOL).  I use the grunt for entertainment (media), not gaming.

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October 15th, 2006 01:00

With an XPS I think you should be fine. Marekting chnages and probably Vista capapble was all they knew at the time you purchased. I am about to but an E1705 that is clearly above the specs called for with Vista but I have some programs that will need updating, just as I did with XP. (I've hated Roxio ever since!!)

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October 15th, 2006 07:00

The only way you're going to know for sure is if you run Vista on the hardware.

If you have the machine, I'd suggest downloading the Vista RC2 public trial to see how it runs on your machine. This is the best approximation of what Vista will be like that is currently available.

I purchased a Latitude D620 last week explicitly so that I could run Vista w/ Aero on it. According to Dell's site, my config should be Vista Premium Ready (NVidia Quadro NVS 110M + 2 GB system RAM) but the Aero UI is pretty slow / jerky / laggy most of the time. Sometimes it's really smooth, like it should be. I'm thinking that there's something not configured quite right in the video card's driver, but this means I have to wait for someone to fix it before Vista will run as it should. I have no idea how long I'll have to wait for that to happen, and I'm almost certain nobody (i.e. Dell) will care until Vista is actually shipping (and even then they may not fix the problem and just blame it on MS or NVidia). This is not something I want to have to deal with, so I'm thinking at this point that I'll return the machine and either look elsewhere or wait until Vista ships and has a known level of support on the D620.

Anyway, the point of my story: even if Dell claims Vista Premium should run OK, you're not going to know for sure unless you try it yourself.

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October 15th, 2006 07:00

We think alike, sometimes, I see. :smileywink:

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October 15th, 2006 07:00

Thankyou so much for sharing your experience, glhughes.
 
That is precisely the sort of thing I am wondering about. 
 
The RC2 is no longer available - apparently it was only available for a very short time. 
 
In your case though, it may not be your machine, but something yet to ironed out in Vista, the RC2 is not the final cut - so think about that before you ship your machine back if you are happy with it in other respects. 
 
Also, component manufcturers are still working on their drivers in conjunction with Microsoft, so you SHOULD see an updated driver released pretty quickly - note I did say should - LOL.
 
At the moment there are just too many variables to be sure, and that is the problem. 
 
Let us know how you go in the end.

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October 15th, 2006 07:00

So, you are going to return a machine because Beta software will not run on it? That's a little drastic. How much memory is on the card? My guess it is nothing more than a driver issue, so go the manufacturers site and see what they have.

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October 15th, 2006 08:00

jmwills:

I'm not entirely sure if I want to return it or not just yet.

There are also problems with the top of the screen on the notebook that show up on dark images: a curtain-like effect of ligher / darker spots each about the size of a dime that repeat across the screen. So I'd like to have that addressed anyway if I keep the notebook.

The vid card has 64 MB onboard and can make use of up to 256 MB shared system memory.

As for beta drivers -- I've already been to NVidia's site and the driver package they provide doesn't officially support laptop video cards. You can hack it to make it work (which I have) but that driver has issues with resuming from suspend and still doesn't help with the issues in Aero.

The thing is, it's obvious that Dell hasn't tested the D620 with Vista and is just going by Microsoft's recommendations. Since I'm still in the 21-day return period, I'm worried that if I don't act now I may be stuck with a machine that doesn't actually run Vista very well.

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October 15th, 2006 09:00

For Vista to be fully operatioanl in Aero, a mnimum of 128 mb of RAM dedicated to the video card is necessary. No amount of shared memory will do. Even my GeForce 5200 with 64mb dedicated RAM will not run Aero.
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