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September 9th, 2020 19:00

XPS 8940, Better 3rd party cooler

Hello there

I would greatly appreciate any help to find a new/better 3rd party cooler for my XPS 8940. It came with the thin and small stock cooler and is overheating the whole time. I got a i9-10900 processor with 128 GB of RAM and I need this computer to generate some GIS layers. These jobs take 2-4 hrs every time and I can see that the processor is throttling or C° 97+ all the time.

I tried the Noctua 15S but the problem is there is no space for the bracket under the motherboard. The stock fan screws directly into the chassis from above.

Thank you very much

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April 9th, 2021 03:00

@txhillcountry 

I used m3 x 16mm and they worked perfectly. Other than that, it fit with no problem using the supplied brackets and the black spacers with the NH-D9L

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April 9th, 2021 07:00

@edob7368 Unless you break something, changing the cooler shouldn't affect your warranty. The warranty does not prevent you from opening the computer case. There are no stickers/seals on the default cooler screws or power connector. You can take the default cooler out and then put it back if needed without anyone being able to tell that you ever removed it. (unless you manage to damage a screw head or something  ). 

Just be careful to clean up the old thermal paste, put the appropriate amount of new paste, gently tighten the new cooler screws as instructed (there are numbers on the board and a pattern on how to alternate tightening so that you balance the tension), and to generally not drop stuff or hit or scratch the motherboard or the tiny components on it with your tools. As long as you take your time and pay attention, you should be done in 10 minutes. 

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April 9th, 2021 07:00

This just cross my mind after reading so many pages on this topic. Should I be worried that these cooling mods will break warranty?

April 9th, 2021 09:00

@txhillcountry I used M3 x 20mm screws and they worked perfect!

Anything longer than 20mm I can't speak to whether they bottom out in the case mounts.

April 9th, 2021 09:00

@bertro514 very interesting read on editing the BIOS - thank you for that! I'm not as much interested in the overclocking as I am another topic - is there any chance that the startup fan BIOS errors common on these Dell prebuilt machines when swapping fans can be worked around or disabled through this BIOS edit method?

I'm going to dig deeper into this this weekend, but I thought I'd ask someone who has at least edited a dell bios in the meantime.

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April 9th, 2021 11:00

@purpledrillmonkey It is possible that a variable could be tweaked to disable those fan alerts, but I have no idea what that would be and I recommend not editing anything unless you read from several reliable sources that it works. You don't want to edit the wrong address by mistake and make your machine unbootable. (that can be reverted with a hardware EPROM flasher, but it's a bunch of trouble).

From what I've read, newer versions of the BIOS fix the fan issue. My G5 never threw that error and my understanding is that this is due to the newer BIOS they put on my machine. There might be a similar update for the XPS. I would look into that first before poking around BIOS code.

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April 9th, 2021 11:00

Throttlestop improved my cinebench by 50(!) points with no change in temperatures at all (Vetroo V5 kept things at 70C or less).

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April 9th, 2021 11:00

@txhillcountry - I have installed the NH-U9S using m3x25 set screws (grub screws) ,,, I think it would work for the NH-D9L also. This way you can still maintain the design intent and appearance of the Noctua mounting by still using the included thumbscrews. Here's a link to my post regarding this if you are interested.

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April 9th, 2021 12:00

Replying to myself to note that my throttlestop gave me an extra 500(!) not 50 points.

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April 9th, 2021 12:00

@SomeCaliGuy nice!!! I had to do a double-take when I read "50", but then I saw your reply. That's more like it! 

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April 9th, 2021 13:00

@SomeCaliGuy - notes to self are always a good thing !!

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April 10th, 2021 08:00

Thanks a lot for all your tips. Just got my new 8940 with the new I7-11700 and can confirm that everything already mentioned here applies to this new processor as well.

Overclocking:
A special thanks to @bertro514 , undervolting worked great and removing the turbo boost drastically increased performance: Seems like -100mV on the CPU Core seems to be the max for the i7 - Anything below caused instability.

Cooling:
- The Arctic i13 X CO fits without any modifications. Just remove the stock cooler, unscrew the screws from the motherboard and screw in the ones included in the Arctic. Thermal paste is already applied on the new cooler. Removing the old thermal paste using rubbing alcohol worked well.
- I have also replaced the case fan with an Arctic F9 PWM PST CO and attached another one of the same type fan to the front side of the case (the PST means a splitter is attached to the cable -> no additional cabling needed to run the second fan).
Nice to know: The original case fan was mounted using rubber insulators. As you can screw in the F9 with the screws included in the pack, you can go ahead and use the rubber insulators the old fan was mounted with to get the new fan in the front to stick to the case. 

Temps:
After replacing the stock CPU and case fan, and adding an additional fan to the front of the case, temps dropped to around 58C on average running Cinebench. Multi-Core Score: ~11150
After undervolting and increasing the boost time to infinite, temps increased to 69-70C running Cinebench, whilst performance increased significantly. Multi-Core Score: ~14050. Idle temp: ~29C 

Cost:
2x Arctic F9 PWM PST CO 2 x 5.50€
1x Arctic i13 X CO 26€
-> 37€
- Nothing else needed -

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April 10th, 2021 10:00

@NHRP , so glad to hear it worked well for you. That's a great CB score, and the temps sounds very good! 

In my tests with undervolting, I noticed that CPU cache is way more sensitive and prone to freezing and crashing. In my tests, I could take core close to -150 and it would be stable, but lowering cache voltage beyond -20, -25 started freezing when I left the computer on idle for longer periods. 

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April 11th, 2021 04:00

Oh wow, -150 is a lot!

I've kept my cache voltage at -20 like you suggested (which works great). Haven't done any further tests on that one to be honest though 

 

April 12th, 2021 09:00

@bertro514 yeah I've had no fan issues with the XPS 8940 - I was actually thinking of trying it with the Alienware R11.

Most PWM fans seem to not spin up on boot on the R11 and the BIOS reads this as an error on the R11 since there's no tach signal.

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