I went to buy xfx rx 580 4gb card that I was planning to run in my dell pc. Yes it doesn't fit I'd use riser and run the card on the floor , yes the psu is shet so I'd buy 2nd one , convert one of the sata cables on the original 240w psu into molex and plug it adapter like add2psu that only uses molex for shorting/signaling to the 2nd psu when to turn on. The 2nd psu would sit on the floor too while 240w original would power the original system.
Adapter I'm talking about :
Now the issue is idk if the card will fry my shet - obviously it shouldn't fry the psu that supplies power via 8 pin , but what happens to the 240w psu if it draws maximum from the pcie slot ? Will it have enough juice to give 50w to the card or will it fail and take down my whole pc with it ? The dell specsheet for my model says It's limited to drawing maximum of 50w from pcie slot 1 , pcie slot 2 has 25w max.
I've searched the forum and it's recommend to buy this psu if doing the upgrade : Evga 700w br ( Because it has 150w on 3.3v/5v rails )
But I cracked open my current pc and on the original psu ( I hope ? ) there's not even 65w for the same 3.3v/5v rails on it ,out of which it says: shall not exceed 60w max... ?
That's wayyy below 150w that's recommended for optiplexes that can draw 75w from pcie ?
Question is how do I figure out what rails go where ? 5v ,12v , 3.3v and such ? Where do they end up and what do they power ? Is my pc even using 3.3v and 5v for pcie give that it won't be able to pull how much it's rated for on the spec sheet?
I counted what I could and this is the power draw estimate:
I7 3770k - like 85w idk let's say 95w to be safe if it overclocks by default 200mhz or something
Rx 580 - it should draw up to 50w from pcie x16 slot but I'm afraid might even do 75w if the limit on the specsheet for my optiplex is not a limit per day but suggestion...
Ram - I have no idea sry ! Geil cl9 1600mhz 2 sticks of 4gb each
Storage - 1 ssd 256gb geil zenith r3 also no idea but we can assume like 10w there...
Usb - can draw up to 15w as per spec
And miscalenous on board like integrated soundcard and lan draw 3w
I couldn't find any info on the fans...
That all totals up to ~170w peak ( if the limit of 50w is no limit then 195w peak ) + however much the ram and fan will consume.
I've calculated that there's 204W available on 12v rail and if combined with all the other rails whole psu can do almost 300W ( like 294W )
This is the image of my current psu :
It has nowhere near 23a on 3.3v rail for total of 75w going into pcie slot... The 3.3v/5v combined only come out to 65w combined which I doubt will be used then for pcie that can draw 75w from 2 slots combined?
Any suggestions are welcome.... I was planning to link 2nd psu and just use the pc like that but now after already frying one inadequate pc that ran this card I'm scared about the same happening to the whole system if there ain't enough juice in the old 240w psu to dish out 50w through pcie...
@speedstepSry for @ you but I saw you were pretty knowledgeable and helping when it came to these.... Hope you can help me out too !
I've read the specsheet countless times but never took note of the rails being labelled :
The last one on teh right is mine , I still have no idea if its both rails combined go into pcie and if it'll be enough tho... I also heard if I put gpu that can draw 75W from pcie and the pcie only can give 25W/50w it might go boom just like 400w psu would go boom if pc asks for 500w
You'd have to use something like an EVGA B1 or B2 PSU that sits outside the case. Speedstep regularly recommends 700w-750w because often PSU's boast more total power, but skimp on the 3.3v/5v rails as compared to Dell PSU's. It is possible your system takes less power on those rails. It also looks like you did some research, which is good.
Screengrab above shows RX 580 is 185w.
There are some variables, but the above screengrab shows the average system would draw 324w with the card installed while gaming.
I'm NOT saying to try overloading your current PSU, but a good PSU will simply trip if overloaded. Sparks won't fly like in Star Trek all the time, it shouldn't fry and it shouldn't go boom.
Im pretty sure he recommended evga 700 BR , saying that both b1 and b2 models only have 120w while br has 150w on those rails...
But now the question is do I even need to care about those rails ? I'm pretty sure any psu off the shelf will do more than 65w on 3.3v/5v ?
Pcie might also pull off the 12v instead... The thing that worries me is that I'll buy a psu that can run this machine but I won't be able to use it on anything else afterwards?
I'll have to buy psu that's eps12v right? Or wrong will atx work ? Searching for psu that goes into my dell optiplex 7010 sff I see atx connectors but then agains this is knockoff psu...
At the end of the day if I can get a psu that will serve me good for any modern build later while also being able to fully power this dell that would be nice too... I'm just worried about that 50w pcie slot later tripping even if I swap for beefier psu ? I found threads where they discuss power limits on pcie and say that if card doesn't have enough power from pcie ( I'm assuming pcie powered only ) It won't pull more it just won't work... So maybe nothing bad will happen if I actually do try linking 2nd psu and using like 25w pcie slot just to be safe? I'll experiment with this later I believe for now I'd like to power everything off the 1 psu without buying something obsolete...
"So maybe nothing bad will happen if I actually do try linking 2nd psu and using like 25w pcie slot just to be safe?"
It might not be 100% impossible, but linking 2 PSU's together is not advised. Or... A single slot card can't use 2 slots.
May be it's better to save some money for a better PC later?
With your 7010 SFF the way it is, it can power a 75w card. Outside of specs., YouTubers (actual users) have been powering 75w GPU's with 240w-265w PSU's for years. So may be you could go with a GTX 1050 ti for now. As for your i7-3770k, 7010 BIOS doesn't allow for overclock.
Oh no I had no intention of linking PCI-E slots - 50w + 25w
More in the line of thinking - If I use lower powered PCI-E slot it won't tax the original 240w psu as much and the rest of the power I can supply via 8 pin... But the question remains will it stress the system if there's a running card that might expect 75w from PCI-E while that slot is only able to dish out 25w? I'm not afraid about gpu not knowing to take power from 8 pin but I'm afraid when it tries taking from PCI-E first it either booms the whole pc or over time the 25w slot burns out?
Same stuff would happen if I toss out 240w psu and use new better one for everything. It could power the pc but at the PCI-E slot what would happen if gpu tries to pull 75w and the slots are only 25w/50w?
If card is placed in pfie slot that only allows 25w then that card taxes psu for 25w only vs taxing it at 50w in other slot ?
Sperate psu handles the 8 pin but overall I am looking for psu to replace the old one too and failing. The supplies I find lack wats in +5vsb and -12v rails ( stock is 4a in 5vsb and 0.5a in -12v , while supplies I found generally have 2.5a 5vsb and 0.3a -12v )
I'd go for this right away and research the sheet out of which psu to buy if only I knew that the PCI-E slot could handle it ...
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I'm kinda dumb lol...
I've read the specsheet countless times but never took note of the rails being labelled :
The last one on teh right is mine , I still have no idea if its both rails combined go into pcie and if it'll be enough tho... I also heard if I put gpu that can draw 75W from pcie and the pcie only can give 25W/50w it might go boom just like 400w psu would go boom if pc asks for 500w