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December 5th, 2020 20:00

17 R4, bios recovery not working

Hi guys I wonder if you can help, I have a bricked laptop from bios update. 

I have a 2017 R4 17 laptop and I realised the bios was well out of date, the auto update wasn’t working so I ran the executable from the support site, not reading the pop up properly and I ran the update with cpu performance mode enabled.


the update ran ok at first, laptop reset into bios and it started writing blocks, then the screen went black and the fans ramped up, I left it 45 minutes then did a forced shutdown = bricked bios!

7 beeps & 3+3 lights also get 3+1 & 2+1 depending on how long I hold the power button for when turning on.

I have downloaded the proper recovery bios image from support and popped it on a fat32 usb stick as instructed, also tried the renamed executable also.

I still get 3 red 3 blue lights (can’t find recovery image) tried every USB port including the type c’s and even put it on the nvme and Sara drive but no luck.

Also tried coin battery removal, shorting the test points under the ddr4 and holding ctrl & escape, holding power button for 25 secs nothing has worked.


does anyone have a proper recovery procedure for the R4 17 as all the info online is sketchy at best. There is no clear cut if this then do this sheet.

I think it’s a known issue with most people having to get a tech out but with covid that isn’t so easy!

thank you. 

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    Posted January 18th, 2021 16:00

    @rlongthorn @crimsom @RIP17R4 

    Finally received my Alienware back from Dell and it is all FIXED. As per Dell support, the root cause was a damaged motherboard even after explaining the bios driver situation. The cost to fix was around $250 cad. Had a long argument with them over the phone, about how their bios update bricked the laptop and the fault was from their end. They finally agreed and waived all the charges including the shipping costs. Hope this helps.
    Thank you all for the support! Very much appreciated.

  • crimsom

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    Posted December 5th, 2020 21:00

    Hi @rlongthorn  go to Dell Support How to Recover the BIOS and watch the video. For Dell Models released after December 2015, computer should have the on-board BIOS Recovery tool that is designed to recover a corrupted BIOS. Try the recovery process for notebooks:-

    1. Ensure battery does not have less than 10% charge. 
    2. Shut down notebook. 
    3. With notebook turned off, disconnect the dc adapter from the notebook. 
    4. Press and hold down both CTRL + ESC keys on the keyboard. 
    5. While still holding down the CTRL + ESC keys on the keyboard. Reconnect the dc adapter and start up notebook. 
    6. Wait until the BIOS Recovery page appears. Then release the CTRL + ESC keys. 
    7. On the BIOS Recovery screen, select Reset NVRAM (if available). Press the Enter key and select the Disabled option. Press the Enter key to save this BIOS setting. 
    8. Select Recover BIOS and press the Enter key to start the recovery process. 

    Please share an update. Thank you. 


    [This user does not work for Dell and volunteers their free time. Please remember to say thank you by clicking on my thumb up icon.]

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    Posted December 6th, 2020 13:00

    @crimsom
    Thanks for your reply, yes i have tried the CTRL & ESC trick unfortunately it does not do anything when i reconnect the power cable. I have tired adding my own step and pressing the power button but this just starts the 7 beeps situation i described above.
    I have even tried both CTRL keys and a combination of pressing the power button for different periods of time, nothing seems to work.

    when i press the power button just once, the CPU fans spin up and stop 5 times before the 7 beeps is heard as the fans ramp up to full speed, if i press the power button once then followed by a long press of 4 seconds the CPU fans start up right away with keyboard backlight and then i get the 7 beeps plus the 3+3 lights.

    Im convinced im missing a key press or have the incorrect bios for this system, even though the RCV file on the dell website says its the correct one. its got to be something simple!

    Have you got any other suggestions friend? thanks for your time

    Ry

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    Posted December 6th, 2020 15:00

    Hi,


    I am also stuck in the same situation as of today. I have tried all the troubleshooting tips provided by Dell, but no luck. I am desperate for help and any other suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

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    Posted December 6th, 2020 16:00

    @rlongthorn  and @Mike Asare,

    If you cannot boot BIOS Recovery from your EFI Partition (from your primary HDD).

    Try creating a Dell Bootable USB. Follow these steps to guide you in creating your BIOS_IMG.RCV (download the your bios from Dell Support page). Good luck.

     

    https://www.dell.com/community/Alienware-Desktops/Aurora-R6-BIOS-stuck-on-recover-BIS-after-a-failed-update/td-p/6234909

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    Posted December 6th, 2020 18:00

    Thanks for the suggestion @Lunetrix

    Unfortunately it did not work. I followed the steps and i continue to get the 7 beeps along with the 3 red + 3 blue light flash on the power button. 

  • crimsom

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    Posted December 6th, 2020 19:00

    Hi @rlongthorn  thank you for sharing an update. The 17 R4 system is very unhappy and the on-board diagnostics is telling user:-  

    • POST (power-on self-test) tries to find all the devices on the 17 R4. POST tries five times to start the 17 R4 (CPU fans spin 5 times and stop), but does not complete. BIOS/UEFI cannot tell the operating system to start. 
    • 7 beeps are given = Central Processing Unit (CPU) Failure. POST is saying CPU failure, but this could be a false positive because CMOS has 'lost' its storage of the BIOS settings. Hardware settings, system time and date are the parts of BIOS settings. Replacing the coin battery is the common CMOS fix. 
    • 3,3 diagnostic light code = Recovery image not found. Somehow the recovery partition on the OS (C:) drive is not found (deleted) and/or has been corrupted. On-board BIOS recovery is not available. The F12 Dell ePSA Enhanced Pre-Boot System Assessment is not available. 

    The reanimation of this 'dead' system must now come from an external source. A possible fix would be to swap out the problematic OS drive and install the cloned OS drive. Then repair BIOS/UEFI by using the on-board BIOS recovery and/or the F12 Dell ePSA Enhanced Pre-Boot System Assessment. If there is no cloned OS drive, or if you do not have another Dell computer, see if a Dell user will create a cloned Dell OS drive for you or get this from eBay, etc. If not possible, explore purchase of a replacement fully functional OS drive from Dell Support. Then repair the BIOS/UEFI. Hopefully the problematic OS drive can now be changed to a storage drive so that its content can be accessed. 

    Please share an update. Thank you. 


    [This user does not work for Dell and volunteers their free time. Please remember to say thank you by clicking on my thumb up icon.]

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    Posted December 6th, 2020 20:00

    @Crimson 

    thank you for your detailed reply, what you say makes sense but I have 2 questions if you don’t mind me asking.

    1.in my situation, is it now only possible to restore bios from a recovery partition on the boot drive? IE. Is a USB recovery not possible? If so why does dell post a bios recovery image on the support site specifically for this machine with instructions on how to load it via USB? 

     

    2. My boot drive is not how it was when the laptop left the factory, I have since installed an upgraded nvme drive & the cloning / copying process of the original  probably did not copy over the recovery partition properly.

    I do have access to a dell xps but not another 17 R4, would it be possible to use the OS recovery partition from the xps to get my machine working?

    I ask this because you say to ask another dell user to clone their drive and not another R4 user, so is there a possibility of cross compatibility of the recovery partition to ‘jump start’ my machine?

    if so can I just clone the recovery partition or do I need the full drive including all partitions? If this is the case I can’t see another user giving me a copy of all of their full drive including data.

    Again, thanks so much for your help.

    it is very much appreciated. 

  • crimsom

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    Posted December 6th, 2020 21:00

    Hi @rlongthorn thank you for sharing an update. Will try and answer your questions in the same order as posted. Not going to use a question (Q) to answer (A) format and cannot use numbered answers because all the questions were not numbered. So this Reply post might require looking at a number of times. 

    Dell tries to help, but this help assumes that its assistance can work on a computer that is not so far gone, that targeted help cannot give the repair. Computers are very old at four years. 

    If your cloned drive was working, it is easy to apply hindsight and now say should have gone to Disk Management to check that the 'invisible' partitions were also cloned. Using good cloning software will use images to tell user that all partitions are or are not cloned in accordance with user instructions, for example Acronis True Image OEM.  

    Cloning disk from any recent Dell computer is essential so that all the recent BIOS recovery software is included. Then use F12 at splash screen to repair BIOS. Windows OS will then start and use the default drivers on the cloned disk. Windows OS and Dell SupportAssist will get 17 R4 specific drivers when access to internet is restored. 

    A Dell cloned OS drive from your Dell XPS OS drive is suitable, to jump start the Dell Alienware 17 R4 OS drive. (note emphasis on Dell.)

    The cloned OS drive requires all partitions to be installed (just like the Factory OS drive did). During subsequent use the cloned OS drive will automatically update the recovery partition for use on the 17 R4 (just like the Factory OS drive did)

    Hope this helps. Gook luck with getting the Alienware 17 R4 to work. (When it is all up and running, create another fully cloned OS drive, as part of disaster recovery.) 

    Please post an update. Thank you. 


    [This user does not work for Dell and volunteers their free time. Please remember to say thank you by clicking on my thumb up icon.]

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    Posted December 7th, 2020 08:00

    you guys tried entering the bios refresh tool option in the F12 boot sequence?

    that’s how I refreshed my bios when it got corrupt.


    *NOTE: I am NOT a Dell employee, But I am a Community Rockstar*

    Quick Tip: If your laptop has voltage / charging issues, try shutting it down, unplugging power from laptop, hold power button down for 30 seconds to do a full reset!