That's the one I am missing. Thanks for posting the screen capture. It proves it shows up even without the Vbios being capable, since currently to my knowledge no DELL video cards provide resizable BAR support.
And never mind again, they did release a Vbios for the RTX 3080.
Now the $1,500 question is if I should flash it or not.
If the motherboard does not support it I will not gain anything with flashing it, and if it causes issues because the motherboard does not support it that could cause a serious problem.
I am going to roll the dice and hope for the best.
If I don't post in the next 10 minutes you can safely assume I am angry.
Flashed the GPU, cannot enable resizable bar because the motherboard on my R10 does not have that setting available.
So basically as it stands today, DELL is only supporting half of my R10's hardware with updates. That makes no sense, because I need the other half to be able to enable the updated portion they do support.
And all of this because they insist on not updating the AGESA version for the R10 Ryzen 3000 motherboards, so owners cannot upgrade it to a Ryzen 5000 CPU should they want too.
I forgot to mention the bios download page for the R10 (my version) states it enables resizable BAR support on the notes. So I am expecting what the notes say, which I think is fair and normal.
There are persons whose only agenda is to litigate and Demand features even after 1 year or more including after 5 years and EOL EOS, Demand Refunds after 1 year or more, and Demand free warranty repairs without paying for service agreement. Dell, INTEL, AMD, NVIDIA are not going to secede to user demands , allow users to dictate what features and when will be provided from OEM or ODM etc.
Onsite Premier Enterprise Support is not cheap especially when you have an Onsite
Dell Engineer 24 x 7 x 365
You can also get Certified to do Dell warranty replacement of parts etc.
This too is not free.
Non Disclosure Agreements apply to all written Information disclosed between the Parties.
Verbally they can tell you anything but only what is written down can be used in a dispute against any of the parties.
None of the principles will confirm or deny anything I say.
I do not work for Dell and I do not speak for the other companies mentioned. There is zero incentive to provide information and support for that which is paid support. Its not free.
I will not disclose where I get this information from other than to say I ask a peer and they provide reasonable, logical, answers based on known standards and specifications. Not buzz words, Marketing Pages, and Youtube anecdotal videos. Those are not UL, CSA, VDE, IEEE, JEDEC, PCI-SIG standards.
I am not obligated to prove what I know to anyone. Others are not allowed to say what I think or know or understand. Nor are they allowed to passive aggressively say I'm wrong without providing standards based proof that I am. I also don't need permission to post or comment especially from users making snarky remarks and comments.
@DELL-Chris M always has more access to this kind of information than I do but he too will not feed endless questions where anything he says can and will be used against him. I have been certified to do warranty repairs for many companies hardware including but not limited to (Sun Microsystems, Oracle Fujitsu, IBM, Lenovo, Dell, HP, Digital Equipment, Kaypro, Osborne, Texas Instruments, etc.)
It appears to me that statements are attributed to me that I did not say.
"That's all great stuff, but I purchased this system brand new directly from DELL 8 months ago."
What does this have to do with the price of tea in Brisbane?
"It is still within it's 1 year limited warranty period."
Again this doesn't impart privileges to demand features after product release. I never mentioned your system specifically.
"Is it that much asked that DELL supports my 8 months old system with a motherboard bios update so I can use resizable BAR, a feature I will otherwise not be able to use?"
Dell when it sells a system has never stated new features, warranty, or fitness for a particular purpose after the release of product and sale.
"It's not that I am asking for a bios update for a 5 year old motherboard. It's an 8 months old system."
I never mentioned your specific system but others have Jumped on the thread demanding features for their 2009 model now in 2021.
"It's 8 months old, did I already say that? How can an 8 months old system be EOL and out of support?"
Attempts at obfuscation of my statements are moot. I never said your system was 5 years old or EOL and EOS.
Pro support and Enterprise level support are not free.
That's all great stuff, but I purchased this system brand new directly from DELL 8 months ago.
It is still within it's 1 year limited warranty period.
Just today I updated the Vbios for the RTX 3080 in my system, so it now supports resizable BAR.
Is it that much asked that DELL supports my 8 months old system with a motherboard bios update so I can use resizable BAR, a feature I will otherwise not be able to use?
It's not that I am asking for a bios update for a 5 year old motherboard. It's an 8 months old system...
As it stands right now they basically upgraded half of my system, and I cannot even use that upgrade unless they also upgrade the other half.
It's 8 months old, did I already say that? How can an 8 months old system be EOL and out of support?
There is a bios space issue. So its not as easy as those who say it just needs an update.
AMD is the one not supporting the OEM B450 chipset. AMD Back Dated Ryzen 5000 Zen 3 CPU support Under volting, Memory / Overclocking & AGESA Support
Optional OEM BIOS updates will disable support for many existing AMD Ryzen Desktop Processor models to make the necessary ROM space available.
BIOSes will enable a one-way upgrade path for AMD Ryzen “Zen 3,”. Flashing back to an older BIOS version will not be supported.
To reduce the potential for confusion, it will only allow BIOS download to verified customers with motherboards who have purchased a new desktop processor with “Zen 3” inside. This will help us ensure that customers have a boot able processor on-hand after the BIOS flash, minimizing the risk a user could get caught in a no-boot situation.
B550A chipset is rebadged Promontory-LP family (B450)
Aurora R10 motherboard NWN7M Pegatron 69M10HT00B01 December 9, 2019 is supported by Dell
ASUS divorced partner Pegatron "In January 2008, Asus began a major restructuring of its operations, splitting into three independent companies: Asus (focused on applied first-party branded computers and electronics); Pegatron (focused on OEM manufacturing of motherboards and components); and Unihan Corporation (focused on non-PC manufacturing such as cases and molding). Pegatron was ASUS no-more by June 2010
"AMD is the one not supporting the OEM B450 chipset."
As far as I am aware the newer R10 motherboard that supports the Ryzen 5000 uses the same chipset.
So if it does, AMD is supporting it just fine.
I fail to see how there can be no space available to add resizable BAR support, since they added it to the newer board just fine.
There might be a lack of available space for Ryzen 5000 and Ryzen 3000 support on 1 flash chip and 1 motherboard, but that is not what this discussion is about.
That I can accept, but no space for resizable BAR support I cannot. Not without actual numbers of available free space on each board and required space to add just resizable BAR support. Without that it's unverifiable and there would be no point in further discussing this.
Dell should have listed the R10 gen 2 as R13 or branded it differently.
Yes I believe gen1 motherboard supports higher agesa version and it is strictly Dell not releasing it because of not wanting those to have support for upgrading CPU with 5XXX series.
Stop defending Dell, this is completely the doing and failure of Dell.
Many R10 gen1 users won't be buying another Dell because we are upset with how they handled this. Gating our ability to upgrade to 5xxx CPU and no resizable bar because they won't push the latest AMD agesa to our board.
Vanadiel
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That's the one I am missing. Thanks for posting the screen capture. It proves it shows up even without the Vbios being capable, since currently to my knowledge no DELL video cards provide resizable BAR support.
And never mind again, they did release a Vbios for the RTX 3080.
Video bios
Now the $1,500 question is if I should flash it or not.
If the motherboard does not support it I will not gain anything with flashing it, and if it causes issues because the motherboard does not support it that could cause a serious problem.
I am going to roll the dice and hope for the best.
If I don't post in the next 10 minutes you can safely assume I am angry.
DexKen66
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May 28th, 2021 11:00
Just as a confirmation that it is in the R10 v2 BIOS
Vanadiel
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Flashed the GPU, cannot enable resizable bar because the motherboard on my R10 does not have that setting available.
So basically as it stands today, DELL is only supporting half of my R10's hardware with updates. That makes no sense, because I need the other half to be able to enable the updated portion they do support.
And all of this because they insist on not updating the AGESA version for the R10 Ryzen 3000 motherboards, so owners cannot upgrade it to a Ryzen 5000 CPU should they want too.
Vanadiel
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May 28th, 2021 12:00
Vbios flashing went very smooth and fast btw. I was pleasantly surprised.
DexKen66
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May 28th, 2021 13:00
Ok, just flashed my RTX3080 and set Rebar in BIOS to Auto (the only options listed are Disabled and Auto)
Seems to be working
Vanadiel
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May 28th, 2021 16:00
Here's mine. I am missing the motherboard settings on my R10.
retroracer
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May 28th, 2021 16:00
just flashed teh 3060ti vbios (which is confusingly listed as 3070 on the driver page) and rebar is now enabled
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May 28th, 2021 18:00
I forgot to mention the bios download page for the R10 (my version) states it enables resizable BAR support on the notes. So I am expecting what the notes say, which I think is fair and normal.
Patiently waiting on support to get back to me.
Bios download page
Enhancements:
- Supports Smart Access Memory and PCIe Resizable Bar features to enhance the graphics performance.
speedstep
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@Vanadiel
There are persons whose only agenda is to litigate and Demand features even after 1 year or more including after 5 years and EOL EOS, Demand Refunds after 1 year or more, and Demand free warranty repairs without paying for service agreement. Dell, INTEL, AMD, NVIDIA are not going to secede to user demands , allow users to dictate what features and when will be provided from OEM or ODM etc.
Onsite Premier Enterprise Support is not cheap especially when you have an Onsite
Dell Engineer 24 x 7 x 365
You can also get Certified to do Dell warranty replacement of parts etc.
This too is not free.
Non Disclosure Agreements apply to all written Information disclosed between the Parties.
Verbally they can tell you anything but only what is written down can be used in a dispute against any of the parties.
None of the principles will confirm or deny anything I say.
I do not work for Dell and I do not speak for the other companies mentioned. There is zero incentive to provide information and support for that which is paid support. Its not free.
I will not disclose where I get this information from other than to say I ask a peer and they provide reasonable, logical, answers based on known standards and specifications. Not buzz words, Marketing Pages, and Youtube anecdotal videos. Those are not UL, CSA, VDE, IEEE, JEDEC, PCI-SIG standards.
I am not obligated to prove what I know to anyone. Others are not allowed to say what I think or know or understand. Nor are they allowed to passive aggressively say I'm wrong without providing standards based proof that I am. I also don't need permission to post or comment especially from users making snarky remarks and comments.
@DELL-Chris M always has more access to this kind of information than I do but he too will not feed endless questions where anything he says can and will be used against him. I have been certified to do warranty repairs for many companies hardware including but not limited to (Sun Microsystems, Oracle Fujitsu, IBM, Lenovo, Dell, HP, Digital Equipment, Kaypro, Osborne, Texas Instruments, etc.)
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It appears to me that statements are attributed to me that I did not say.
"That's all great stuff, but I purchased this system brand new directly from DELL 8 months ago."
What does this have to do with the price of tea in Brisbane?
"It is still within it's 1 year limited warranty period."
Again this doesn't impart privileges to demand features after product release. I never mentioned your system specifically.
"Is it that much asked that DELL supports my 8 months old system with a motherboard bios update so I can use resizable BAR, a feature I will otherwise not be able to use?"
Dell when it sells a system has never stated new features, warranty, or fitness for a particular purpose after the release of product and sale.
"It's not that I am asking for a bios update for a 5 year old motherboard. It's an 8 months old system."
I never mentioned your specific system but others have Jumped on the thread demanding features for their 2009 model now in 2021.
"It's 8 months old, did I already say that? How can an 8 months old system be EOL and out of support?"
Attempts at obfuscation of my statements are moot. I never said your system was 5 years old or EOL and EOS.
Pro support and Enterprise level support are not free.
Vanadiel
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May 28th, 2021 18:00
That's all great stuff, but I purchased this system brand new directly from DELL 8 months ago.
It is still within it's 1 year limited warranty period.
Just today I updated the Vbios for the RTX 3080 in my system, so it now supports resizable BAR.
Is it that much asked that DELL supports my 8 months old system with a motherboard bios update so I can use resizable BAR, a feature I will otherwise not be able to use?
It's not that I am asking for a bios update for a 5 year old motherboard. It's an 8 months old system...
As it stands right now they basically upgraded half of my system, and I cannot even use that upgrade unless they also upgrade the other half.
It's 8 months old, did I already say that? How can an 8 months old system be EOL and out of support?
speedstep
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May 28th, 2021 19:00
Alienware Aurora Ryzen Edition System BIOS
WARNING
Once the BIOS is upgraded to a version later than version 1.0.7, you cannot downgrade the BIOS to version 1.0.7 or earlier.
https://dl.dell.com/FOLDER07301784M/1/Alienware_Aurora_Ryzen_Edition_2.1.3.exe
BIOS Recovery
https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000130691
https://dl.dell.com/FOLDER07303522M/1/BIOS_IMG.rcv
Earlier versions.
There is a bios space issue.
So its not as easy as those who say it just needs an update.
AMD is the one not supporting the OEM B450 chipset.
AMD Back Dated Ryzen 5000 Zen 3 CPU support Under volting, Memory / Overclocking & AGESA Support
Optional OEM BIOS updates will disable support for many existing AMD Ryzen Desktop Processor models to make the necessary ROM space available.
BIOSes will enable a one-way upgrade path for AMD Ryzen “Zen 3,”. Flashing back to an older BIOS version will not be supported.
To reduce the potential for confusion, it will only allow BIOS download to verified customers with motherboards who have purchased a new desktop processor with “Zen 3” inside. This will help us ensure that customers have a boot able processor on-hand after the BIOS flash, minimizing the risk a user could get caught in a no-boot situation.
B550A chipset is rebadged Promontory-LP family (B450)
Aurora R10 motherboard NWN7M
Pegatron 69M10HT00B01
December 9, 2019 is supported by Dell
OEM CPU =
HXPR2 AMD R5-3500, 6C, 65W
V7JDD AMD R5-3600, 6C, 65W
2HCV8 AMD R5-3600X, 6C, 95W
VF3FD AMD R5-3600XT, 6C, 95W
XNKFV AMD R7-3700X, 8C, 65W
4GX0G AMD R7-3800X, 8C, 105W
VJ84G AMD R7-3800XT, 8C, 105W
CHMWG AMD R9-3900, 12C, 65W
6KJC4 AMD R9-3900X, 12C, 105W
2F53D AMD R9-3900XT, 12C, 105W
1MHH5 AMD R9-3950X, 16C, 105W
Aurora R10 motherboard TYR0X
Pegatron 69M10HT20A01
January 11, 2021 is supported by Dell
OEM CPU =
HXPR2 AMD R5-3500, 6C, 65W
VVDNW AMD R5-5600X, 6C, 65W
NTMXC AMD R7-5800, 8C, 65W
P0M7X AMD R7-5800X, 8C, 105W
MCW0T AMD R9-5900, 12C, 65W
KGKW8 AMD R9-5900X, 12C, 105W
MMX5C AMD R9-5950X, 16C, 105W
ASUS divorced partner Pegatron
"In January 2008, Asus began a major restructuring of its operations, splitting into three independent companies: Asus (focused on applied first-party branded computers and electronics); Pegatron (focused on OEM manufacturing of motherboards and components); and Unihan Corporation (focused on non-PC manufacturing such as cases and molding).
Pegatron was ASUS no-more by June 2010
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"AMD is the one not supporting the OEM B450 chipset."
As far as I am aware the newer R10 motherboard that supports the Ryzen 5000 uses the same chipset.
So if it does, AMD is supporting it just fine.
I fail to see how there can be no space available to add resizable BAR support, since they added it to the newer board just fine.
There might be a lack of available space for Ryzen 5000 and Ryzen 3000 support on 1 flash chip and 1 motherboard, but that is not what this discussion is about.
That I can accept, but no space for resizable BAR support I cannot. Not without actual numbers of available free space on each board and required space to add just resizable BAR support. Without that it's unverifiable and there would be no point in further discussing this.
speedstep
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They are not releasing source code so there wouldn't be opportunity to discuss the storage problem with the bios chip.
Since you don't write bios code for INTEL or AMD or any other processor I absolutely disagree with any assertions that its
1. Easy
2. Not expensive in man hours to write the new code.
3. Supported by AMD or Intel across multiple generations of processor and chipset across the board.
4. Free software support to ODM or OEM or end users.
Adding Multiple features at the same time with different chipset versions and motherboard versions etc is neither easy or inexpensive.
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In my opinion.
Dell should have listed the R10 gen 2 as R13 or branded it differently.
Yes I believe gen1 motherboard supports higher agesa version and it is strictly Dell not releasing it because of not wanting those to have support for upgrading CPU with 5XXX series.
Stop defending Dell, this is completely the doing and failure of Dell.
Many R10 gen1 users won't be buying another Dell because we are upset with how they handled this. Gating our ability to upgrade to 5xxx CPU and no resizable bar because they won't push the latest AMD agesa to our board.