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March 11th, 2021 11:00
Aurora R11, additional M2
I'm just wondering if anyone has used the ASUS Hyper M.2 card in their Aurora, certainly if you have an R11.
Does anyone here remember the XPS 700 series gaming rigs? The ones in the aluminum bulldozer chassis? I had a 720 way back in the day, I think this was before the Dell acquisition of Alienware of course. The reason I bring it up, is I just want to compare and contrast the expandability of a 10+ year old system and the R11. The R11 has 1 M2, 1 3.5", 2 2.5", which is okay, but I was disappointed to see they didn't include (or at least I didn't see when I opened the case) the cabling for the 2.5" bays. The 720, had 4 internal 3.5 bays, 4 external 5.25" bays, 3 x16 slots. The motherboard on hardware based NVIDIA RAID and could do RAID5, the only limitation of the machine at the time was 8 gigs of RAM maximum. So I'd like to put more than 1 M2 in here and I think the ASUS Hyper could do it. I've heard some people opine that an Alienware is not a workstation, and technically they are right, but the real difference between a "workstation" is a Xeon processor with some ECC RAM and a Quadro versus non-ECC RAM and a GeForce. (Thanks for reading the rant).
If you have used this ASUS M2 expander or another, I very much want to hear from you. I'll wait a few days but will order that one if I don't hear from anyone and let you know my experiences.
Thanks,
Daniel


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March 11th, 2021 13:00
"I'm just wondering if anyone has used the ASUS Hyper M.2 card in their Aurora, certainly if you have an R11."
That card requires bifurcation support on the motherboard which the R11 does not have. So it will not work with the Aurora. Or, it will work, but you will only be able to see 1 drive max, not 4.
If you want an adapter that supports more than one drive in one pcie slot, you'd need to get something like the QNAP with the switch chip on the adapter. Those run minimum over $100 for the adapter.
F8Dragon
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March 11th, 2021 13:00
I was looking to do the same in an R10 but am seeing mixed results in the forums. Some have had it work and others have not. If you do a search for RIITOP you should see all of those threads.
mako64
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March 11th, 2021 13:00
Check this out it was posted yesterday I believe, I may go this route when my R11 comes in. I'm also gonna try that M.2 out he's using too. I'm not sure if thats the best way of adding another M.2 NVMe or not. I know theres another option using the 2.5 SSD with the right adaptors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtS5L21Dfag&t=4s
Vanadiel
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March 11th, 2021 17:00
Here's a good write up on bifurcation, on how it applies to a PCIe slot: https://shuttletitan.com/miscellaneous/pcie-bifurcation-what-is-it-how-to-enable-optimal-configurations-and-use-cases-for-nvme-sdds-gpus/
If your MB does not support it, you will need a controller that has an onboard chip that allows interfacing between your PCIe slot and your Nvme drives in the enclosure. You would also have to take in mind how that in turn is setup to work with your PCIe slot (What link speed it will sync at).
So pending on your situation, and how many lanes the PCIe slot allows, the speed of your drives will not be optimal.
The card you listed supports up to:
Going by the specs it needs a motherboard that supports bifurcation. Plugging that into an R11 or R10 will only allow 1 drive to be used at X4.
It would need a PCIe link speed of 16X since it is a PCIe 3.0 card. So each drive will link at x4, with a maximum speed of 31.52 Gbps. (Bifurcation bios support required at 4x4x4x4 in a PCIe slot 3 x 16)
Double check the manual for your alienware, because I am pretty sure most cannot run the PCIe slot at a linkspeed of X16, using x8 instead, regardless of bifurcation support or not.
If you get a card with a chip in it, and it supports up to 4 drives, it will still need to have access to a PCI 3 x 16 link speed slot to be able to do 4x4x4x4. That's why having your PCIe linkspeed cut in half matters, since you will only be able to use 2 out of the 4 drive slot maximum (4x4)
I know my R10 supports PCI 4 x 8 maximum and not PCI 4 x 16 as you would expect from a premium brand board.
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March 12th, 2021 04:00
I went through all of this research and debate recently and ended up just putting an SSD into the 2.5" bay at the bottom of the R11 and it was like a 10 minute easy thing. The power cord is already there, just had to get a SATA cable when I bought the Samsung Evo drive. As far as getting an m.2 NVME drive, I found a variety of Pcie adapters that would work from posts here and on reddit and on youtube. The thing I didn't like about that route is that it puts the drive very close to the graphics card and adds more heat that flows right up onto the GPU. The R11 already has a tight case and only 2 fans so I didn't want to add more heat from an NVME that close. And the sata speed SSDs are fast enough for what I need. I've seen various posts and youtube videos directly comparing things like load time and FPS measurements when gaming on both sata SSD and m.2 pcie SSD and there is no difference. The case for the m.2 pcie style SSDs is better when you have long sustained need for read/write at highest speeds like in video editing. I know that the prices are nearly identical and everyone wants the fastest thing they can get, but the m.2 pcie style drives do run hot from what I have seen thus all the options for cooling them and I just didn't want that right next to the GPU inside the poor airflow R11 case.
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April 6th, 2024 00:25
Here's a great solution and for under $70. It's a:
Dual NVMe PCIe Adapter,M.2 NVMe SSD to PCI-E 3.1 X8/X16 Card Support M.2 (M KeH5
https://www.ebay.com/itm/195753051966