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December 28th, 2021 01:00

Aurora R12, RTX 3070, low performance/utilization

I bought a new Alienware Aurora R12 from Best Buy 5 months ago in July of 2021. It was a major step up from my last computer, that had an i5 with an integrated UHD 620. I had very little problems at all with anything. Alienware made everything super easy to figure out how to control the RGB, Fans, etc.  

Problems didn't start happening until around the start of November of that same year. I bought Mafia 2: Definitive Edition and decided to play the Classic version, as it came with the purchase. Anyway, I played for 5 hours straight with all my fans at 50% on accident. The next day I started up the Definitive Edition and was faced with minor lag spikes, around 20fps dropped from 60fps so between 40-60. It made me a little irritated considering I spent a fortune on this computer. I later played Sea of Thieves with some friends, a game that usually ran at a smooth 60FPS on Mythical Settings, and the game was lagging, around 55-60fps. This problem persisted in every single game that I own: Sea of Thieves, Assassins Creed Odyssey, CS:GO, Dead by Daylight, Destiny 2, ES4 Oblivion, ESOnline, Garry's Mod, GTA 4, Halo MCC, Mafia 2, Phasmophobia, Civilization 6, and even Terraria, for christ sake.
The problem has only gotten worse over time, Halo MCC that used to run at 120fps started playing at 70-120fps but now it plays at 40-118fps

What I've tried:
-Updated Windows / Drivers / BIOS / Chipsets / etc.
-Used DDU many times

-Went to Geek Squad and other 3rd party shops (to have them physically inspect and nothing is wrong)

-Completely reinstalled Windows many times (and upgraded to Windows 11 then downgraded back)
-'Sanitized' SSD and HDD then reinstalled Windows via external HDD
-Tried every Game Ready Driver from October 2020 to most recent, as well as the most recent Studio Driver
-Called Dell Tech Support, had a Remote Session and setup an 'on-site' repair, getting a brand new RTX 3070 installed, under warranty, yet it didn't resolve the issue.
-Used multiple Benchmark tests with all of them passing
-Playing at Lower Settings with a Lower Resolution with the same results
*ALL games play the same, no matter the settings. It just lags more consistently when I turn the settings up.*

Specs:
Processor 11th Gen Intel Core i7-11700F 2.50GHz
Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 (8.0 GB)
Memory 11.4 GB Free (15.7 GB Total)
Monitor Generic PnP Monitor (1360x768 60 Hz)
Disk Storage 2668.3 GB Free (3032.3 GB Total)
Audio NVIDIA High Definition Audio
Motherboard Alienware (07W25T)
Mouse HID-compliant mouse
Keyboard HID Keyboard Device

(more details on GPU)
Name NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070
Video Processor NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070
Manufacturer NVIDIA
Video Architecture VGA
DAC Type Integrated RAMDAC
Memory Size 8.0 GB
Memory Type Unknown
Video Mode 1360 x 768 x 4294967296 colors
Current Refresh Rate 60 Hz
Driver Version 30.0.14.7284
Driver Date 12/20/2021

I have seen a lot of people with my same issue on MANY different forums, I have had many professionals look at my PC inside and out. I have truly exhausted all my options for restoring my game performance to its original glory, it was a good 3-4 months but at this point I'm either going to build a new computer using these parts once I can get a new motherboard, or I will sell it pieces as I can get good money for an RTX 3070 and 11th gen i-7 11700F and I don't want to mess someone over, as I have reinstalled Windows many times I feel it would persist with someone else.

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December 28th, 2021 06:00

Is your CPU air cooled or water cooled?


Can you install HWiNFO64, and then make sure it is running when playing a game. Watch max temps on GPU and CPU after the game, and take a look to see if there is a VRM temp as well for your board. If so, report those back (max values), and ideally let us know if your PC is throttling for some reason. You also want to look at your CPU and see if it is thermal throttling - these are also all noted in HWiNFO64. Current should say "no" when you are not in a game, but take a look at the Maximum, and see if any of them say "Yes".


Also check GPU clock at max during the game, and report that so we can see if it is boosting correctly. 

 

What I am trying to work out above is whether it is a CPU or GPU issue, and whether it is due to a temperature issue.

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December 28th, 2021 11:00

To be fair, 60hz at a 1360x768 resolution is a horrible resolution for a 3070 and will cause utilization issues. 

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December 28th, 2021 11:00

His GPU is new and was swapped by Dell techs, R12 suffers from ram latency issues that a more present the more CPU bound you put your games at ( like running at 1360x768 which is a no go )

I had these same issues and had to replace the ram which I bought myself. Also helped doing a cmos clear and full bios update

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December 28th, 2021 11:00

These are 2 odd settings:

Video Mode 1360 x 768 x 4294967296 colors
Current Refresh Rate 60 Hz

Your video mode is set very low, and as pointed out above that will cause the CPU to do a lot of work because the bottleneck will shift from GPU to CPU the lower the resolution is, and that is a very low resolution. Why are you running at that resolution, and on what monitor are you running that?

Refresh rate is set at 60 Hz, which means if you use Vsync you will be locked to a maximum of 60 FPS. Refresh rate is monitor dependent, so it would depend on the monitor type if that is the correct setting or not.

 

I would suggest increasing the resolution to 1080P (1920 x 1080), and on an LCD the best resolution to use is to use the panels native resolution and refresh rate, which might be higher than 1080P and 60 Hz.

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December 28th, 2021 13:00

When I brought my PC to a third party shop, they installed HWinFO64 and did many tests. They couldn’t find anything wrong. I’ve had 7 different professionals try to diagnose this problem with most of them agreeing there is a problem but none could fix it. 

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December 28th, 2021 13:00

I had my PC inspected inside and out. What I mean by that: used every benchmark from UserBenchmark to 3DMark, checked utilization(game will lag even when I’m using less than 50% CPU, GPU, VRAM, and RAM.), checked temperatures and even replaced the thermal paste(hotspot only has an 11°C difference), a Dell Technician came out and installed a new GPU and checked the computer once again(dude just kept saying “I don’t know what to tell ya”)

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December 28th, 2021 13:00

I lowered the resolution to what it is currently to see if that would help to fix the problem. I ran all my games at 1920x1080p at 60Hz for many months before I switched to the current resolution. I’m using this resolution because it says that’s what’s native to my monitor. My screen only has LCD, and doesn’t have any HDR capability, it’s just an old Dynex TV. I’ve tried using a 4K, 144Hz and I noticed it was able to keep 60fps more consistently but it didn’t fix the problem.

8 Professor

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December 28th, 2021 14:00

Run userbenchmark, a free bench, and see if your system components operate within specs, when compared to other user scores.

While it is not the best benchmark around, it will give you a rough idea of what might be underperforming.

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December 28th, 2021 14:00

There is no gear mode selection available by design, and the board is set to gear mode 2 by default, with no way to change it to gear mode 1.

XMP is different than gear mode selection.

 

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December 28th, 2021 14:00

I have tried to enable XMP and disabled/enabled most settings in BIOS with little to no change. 

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December 28th, 2021 14:00

If it is the same ram than nothing should have changed. The issue with the ram is not the ram itself, but the lack of gear mode selection, causing extra latency compared to systems that have gear mode selection.

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December 28th, 2021 14:00

I have used many Benchmarks and the only thing that I can see is the RAM underperforming. Many people, including someone in this very thread, have said that the RAM isn’t good. It doesn’t make sense that I’m getting a 50% performance drop from RAM tho, I thought perhaps it was because I redid the thermal paste but the hotspot is only an 11°C difference. Plus, even if it was overheating, which it’s not, it wouldn’t be such a drastic drop in frames 

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December 28th, 2021 14:00

Now we're actually getting into stuff I've no clue about... I have heard of other people completely transferring all hardware onto a new motherboard, getting much better performance. One of the times I took my PC in, I was told that the motherboard is proprietary to the case and that I would need a new motherboard and case. I went ahead and bought a Mid-Tower Corsair case but I don't know what kind of motherboard I should get, that's good for the money spent.

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December 28th, 2021 16:00

When you are running more CPU bound situations ( 1080p and under ) the high RAM latency of the R12 will reduce performance by a fair bit, around 30% in some tests. 

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December 28th, 2021 17:00

I personally found this to be untrue. When testing Mafia 2, I get less consistent frames of 60 when I set the resolution higher. I have a DP to 4K HDMI cord that I tested on a 4K TV, performance dropped significantly and this was a month or 2 before I started having FPS issues. 

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