Until Intel is uploading the detailed datasheet some time in June/July you'll have to work with what's officially available from them.
I could be linking the 10th gen mobile 674 page datasheet to you which introduced gearing but I doubt you'd understand and I probably know what your reply be like.
Anyways, thanks for confirming you have been occupied finding videos and fighting your point rather than actually reading all this time. My problem, as visible on the very first image in the entry post is exactly that no gear 1 is applied regardless of memory speed. If they used gear 1 like most vendors until the specified 3200 using an i9 or 3600 (what OEM's actually do) my entry post would be shorter.
This is an issue of the ODM who adjusted the Z490 BIOS for 11th gen compatibility. Other OEM's January BIOS' had similar issues (some even the read bandwidth cut half just like in this instance). Just that those have fixed these issues by now and I would like to bring it to DELL's attention that their ODM is yet to do so.
It is not irrelevant if your memory controller is running at half the supposed speed.
It is not irrelevant if your read bandwidth is less than half of what it is supposed to be.
It is not irrelevant if the CPU's cache is fluctuating in such a manner.
I'll be gladly sharing the above (which is of no relevance to the 4 issues listed in the entry post) with someone who is interested in the matter of improving their products rather than someone who is misplaced in this very topic. Sorry for this harshness.
It is not irrelevant if the CPU's cache is fluctuating in such a manner.
You have provided no such proof or otherwise specifications for cache etc this is nonsense.
I'll be gladly sharing the above (which is of no relevance to the 4 issues listed in the entry post) with someone who is interested in the matter of improving their products rather than someone who is misplaced in this very topic. Sorry for this harshness.
Passive aggressive personal attacks are merit for permanent ban.
The main-board tab has information as does the SPD tab which has the profiles as well as the voltages for CPU-Z.
posting actual text is searchable data in images is not searchable.
However this too is not supported by DELL.
1.35V can reduce the life of the ram and the cpu.
19 19 19 43 looks like JEDEC spec.
Altering clock frequency or voltage 1.35v may void any product warranties and reduce stability, security, performance, and life of the processor and other components. Check with system and component manufacturers for details.
1) Memory Controller Speed from GPU-Z as addition.
Should ATC not suffice Dell center does not state the mem controller frequency.
2) Have you bothered looking at the Aida64 section? "i7-11700F", the Dell included Kingston kit (370-AFLE), BIOS Version 1.0.3. All this (except the RAM's part number) was available from the start.
3) Have a look at Aida64 again, compare what happens with different settings and at when cache bandwidths fluctuate.
Memory of all technologies should be implemented homogeneous means that all DRAM devices should be from the same vendor and have the same part number.
Implementing a mix of DRAM devices may cause serious signal integrity and functional issues.
Furthermore DDR4 3200 should be LPDDR4 LPDDR4 DRAM VDDQ voltage is 1.1 V, VDD2 is 1.1 V Single rank is supported dual rank and quad rank is not supported.
There is no support for memory modules with different technologies or capacities.
LPDDR4 standard, JEDEC compliant 16 bit per channel SDRAM device with either one or two channels. LPDDR4 dual channel device density ranges from 4 Gb through 32 Gb and single channel density ranges from 2 Gb through 16 Gb. In other words low density ram.
Dell are themselves using the Z490 board with 11th gen desktop CPU's. This is no user upgrade but stock R12 configuration.
Other than that you are still mistaking gear 2 for gear 1 and don't seem to notice this was the memory controller clock I posted from CPU-Z. You logic is all over the place.
Please be so kind and leave this thread to someone more literate on these particular issues.
Tiger Lake now comes with baked-in support for LPDDR5-5400 in the future, but the first chips support LPDDR4 3200-4266 for now.
Integrated Thunderbolt 4 and USB 4 will also likely come with the new chip-sets. Iris Xe graphics seems to push things further with the new ram bandwidth.
Intel claims it's Xe graphics outperforms AMD's Ryzen 7 4800U by up to 1.8X in a range of titles, and that it can even tackle Nvidia's discrete MX350 in 1080p gaming.
Sure, let me help you by highlighting. All this is from my first post, I just picked out the profile of the out of the box configuration (again, dells part number for the RAM is 370-AFLE).
Feel free to confirm it. Should you come up with jedec, check the first post, it's all there.
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Until Intel is uploading the detailed datasheet some time in June/July you'll have to work with what's officially available from them.
I could be linking the 10th gen mobile 674 page datasheet to you which introduced gearing but I doubt you'd understand and I probably know what your reply be like.
Anyways, thanks for confirming you have been occupied finding videos and fighting your point rather than actually reading all this time. My problem, as visible on the very first image in the entry post is exactly that no gear 1 is applied regardless of memory speed. If they used gear 1 like most vendors until the specified 3200 using an i9 or 3600 (what OEM's actually do) my entry post would be shorter.
This is an issue of the ODM who adjusted the Z490 BIOS for 11th gen compatibility. Other OEM's January BIOS' had similar issues (some even the read bandwidth cut half just like in this instance). Just that those have fixed these issues by now and I would like to bring it to DELL's attention that their ODM is yet to do so.
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It is not irrelevant if your memory controller is running at half the supposed speed.
It is not irrelevant if your read bandwidth is less than half of what it is supposed to be.
It is not irrelevant if the CPU's cache is fluctuating in such a manner.
I'll be gladly sharing the above (which is of no relevance to the 4 issues listed in the entry post) with someone who is interested in the matter of improving their products rather than someone who is misplaced in this very topic. Sorry for this harshness.
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It is not irrelevant if your memory controller is running at half the supposed speed.
AIDA64 is not Dell software and not supported. This can be verified by @DELL-Chris M
It is not irrelevant if your read bandwidth is less than half of what it is supposed to be.
Again for what CPU for what system for what bios for what ram vendor/part#
Intel certifies 3200 on their XMP page with the following
ram, system, bios voltage/cas
AO1P32MCSV1-BD6S Dell Precision 7750 (BIOS / 1.1.2 )
3200MHz 1.2v CAS 21-21-21-44
It is not irrelevant if the CPU's cache is fluctuating in such a manner.
You have provided no such proof or otherwise specifications for cache etc this is nonsense.
I'll be gladly sharing the above (which is of no relevance to the 4 issues listed in the entry post) with someone who is interested in the matter of improving their products rather than someone who is misplaced in this very topic. Sorry for this harshness.
Passive aggressive personal attacks are merit for permanent ban.
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The main-board tab has information as does the SPD tab which has the profiles as well as the voltages for CPU-Z.
posting actual text is searchable data in images is not searchable.
However this too is not supported by DELL.
1.35V can reduce the life of the ram and the cpu.
19 19 19 43 looks like JEDEC spec.
Altering clock frequency or voltage 1.35v may void any product warranties and reduce stability, security, performance, and life of the processor and other components. Check with system and component manufacturers for details.
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1) Memory Controller Speed from GPU-Z as addition.
Should ATC not suffice Dell center does not state the mem controller frequency.
2) Have you bothered looking at the Aida64 section? "i7-11700F", the Dell included Kingston kit (370-AFLE), BIOS Version 1.0.3. All this (except the RAM's part number) was available from the start.
3) Have a look at Aida64 again, compare what happens with different settings and at when cache bandwidths fluctuate.
NONSENSE.
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Further Details from INTEL engineers say that 500 series Chip set is needed for stable 3200 gear2 11th gen core processors.
So you are demanding a feature that does not exist for Z490 series
Z490 motherboards for Intel's 10th Gen CPUs, i9-10900K & 10600K
11900k not running stable on z490 chipset is what I am hearing from my engineering department.
Dell does not support upgrading processors.
If you change processor its on you as far as warranty and stability.
Dell also does not issue on demand bios updates to support new features announced by Intel.
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Adding to the restrictions
Memory of all technologies should be implemented homogeneous means that all DRAM devices
should be from the same vendor and have the same part number.
Implementing a mix of DRAM devices may cause serious signal integrity and functional issues.
Furthermore DDR4 3200 should be LPDDR4
LPDDR4 DRAM VDDQ voltage is 1.1 V, VDD2 is 1.1 V
Single rank is supported dual rank and quad rank is not supported.
There is no support for memory modules with different technologies or capacities.
LPDDR4 standard, JEDEC compliant 16 bit per channel SDRAM device with either one or two channels. LPDDR4 dual channel device density ranges from 4 Gb through 32 Gb and single channel density ranges from 2 Gb through 16 Gb. In other words low density ram.
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Here we go again....
Dell are themselves using the Z490 board with 11th gen desktop CPU's. This is no user upgrade but stock R12 configuration.
Other than that you are still mistaking gear 2 for gear 1 and don't seem to notice this was the memory controller clock I posted from CPU-Z. You logic is all over the place.
Please be so kind and leave this thread to someone more literate on these particular issues.
Much much appreciated.
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I ask for SPD tab and motherboard tab and yet you don't post it.
I ask specific questions and you do not answer them.
You say I'm wrong and yet you provide nothing to prove otherwise.
Your assertions are without merit.
"Please be so kind and leave this thread to someone more literate on these particular issues."
passive aggressive remarks are merit for permanent ban.
@Dell-BradL or @DELL-Chris M would have more information.
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Tiger Lake now comes with baked-in support for LPDDR5-5400 in the future, but the first chips support LPDDR4 3200-4266 for now.
Integrated Thunderbolt 4 and USB 4 will also likely come with the new chip-sets. Iris Xe graphics seems to push things further with the new ram bandwidth.
Intel claims it's Xe graphics outperforms AMD's Ryzen 7 4800U by up to 1.8X in a range of titles, and that it can even tackle Nvidia's discrete MX350 in 1080p gaming.
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Technically I posted two for these sticks.
1) The out of the Box XMP one (previous post).
2) The highest supported JEDEC non xmp profile which will automatically be reverted to if XMP is disabled. Which is 2667 in that case.
Other profiles could not be selected no matter what as there is no such option provided by Dell.
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SPD tab is irrelevant
No it is absolutely relevant as it shows vendor and speed and voltage etc.
There is one spd pic for each Slot.
Motherboard Tab is also relevant because it shows board and bios revision.
Again I ask specific questions and you refuse to provide basic information.
Your assertions are false.
"As for the other stuff you post, no clue whats getting into you.
Relevance."
Passive aggressive posting is merit for permanent ban
@Dell-BradL or @DELL-Chris M would have more information.
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Sure, let me help you by highlighting. All this is from my first post, I just picked out the profile of the out of the box configuration (again, dells part number for the RAM is 370-AFLE).
Feel free to confirm it. Should you come up with jedec, check the first post, it's all there.
What will be next? Another Tiger Lake copy paste?
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You post a CPU-Z pic now refuse to because it shows motherboard, bios version, spd for each ram stick.
CPU-Z has a report mode why don't you post the relevant text from there. Note the SPD shows all 4 profiles as well as the voltage for the ram sticks.
Each Tab is relevant and you only posted 1.
Valdated Ram and processors have specific part numbers.
Joes crab shack ram is not certified.
"Pegatron" used to be part of ASUS so thats the ODM.
ASUSTek split from its former part and partner Pegatron
Motherboard = P0JWX Pegatron 69M10HQ30A01
Validated OEM CPU =
KX53R i9-11900KF, 3.50GHz, 125W, 8C, 16MB
M5WW1 i9-11900K, 3.50GHz, 125W, 8C, 16MB
0RG88 i9-11900F, 2.50GHz, 65W, 8C, 16MB
X6R70 i9-11900, 2.50GHz, 65W, 8C, 16MB
3FCFJ i7-11700KF, 3.60GHz, 125W, 8C, 16MB
267V6 i7-11700K, 3.60GHz, 125W, 8C, 16MB
533FG i7-11700F, 2.50GHz, 65W, 8C, 16MB
4X3CY i7-11700, 2.50GHz, 65W, 8C, 16MB
7DPH1 i5-11600K, 3.90GHz, 125W, 6C, 12MB
7FCVW i5-11600KF, 3.90GHz, 125W, 6C, 12MB
D4X2Y i5-11400F, 2.60GHz, 65W, 6C, 12MB
CXRG1 i5-11400, 2.60GHz, 65W, 6C, 12MB
Validated OEM memory =
Four slots
128GB maximum
6TCK6 32GB HyperX Fury XMP DDR4, 3400MHz, Unbuffered, 288 pin, Dual Rank, 1.25V, Non-ECC, Kingston X6TCK6-MIE, X6TCK6-HYA
VTW4H 32GB HyperX Fury XMP DDR4, 3200MHz, Unbuffered, 288 pin, Dual Rank, 1.25V, Non-ECC, Kingston XVTW4H-MIE
JV223 16GB HyperX Fury XMP DDR4, 3400MHz, Unbuffered, 288 pin, Single Rank, 1.35V, Non-ECC, Kingston XJV223-HYA, XJV223-MIE
2YH1K 16GB HyperX Fury XMP DDR4, 3200MHz, Unbuffered, 288 pin, Single Rank, 1.25V, Non-ECC, Kingston X2YH1K-HYA, X2YH1K-MIE
W21KG 8GB HyperX Fury XMP DDR4, 3200MHz, Unbuffered, 288 pin, Single Rank, 1.25V, Non-ECC, Kingston XW21KG-HYD2, XW21KG-MIE, XW21KG-MIE2
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So again You have CPU-z and you wont post the ram spd info or motherboard info or cpu info.
Your assertions are false.
Only OEM ram is validated.
Only OEM CPU is validated.
Motherboard = P0JWX Pegatron 69M10HQ30A01
Validated OEM CPU =
KX53R i9-11900KF, 3.50GHz, 125W, 8C, 16MB
M5WW1 i9-11900K, 3.50GHz, 125W, 8C, 16MB
0RG88 i9-11900F, 2.50GHz, 65W, 8C, 16MB
X6R70 i9-11900, 2.50GHz, 65W, 8C, 16MB
3FCFJ i7-11700KF, 3.60GHz, 125W, 8C, 16MB
267V6 i7-11700K, 3.60GHz, 125W, 8C, 16MB
533FG i7-11700F, 2.50GHz, 65W, 8C, 16MB
4X3CY i7-11700, 2.50GHz, 65W, 8C, 16MB
7DPH1 i5-11600K, 3.90GHz, 125W, 6C, 12MB
7FCVW i5-11600KF, 3.90GHz, 125W, 6C, 12MB
D4X2Y i5-11400F, 2.60GHz, 65W, 6C, 12MB
CXRG1 i5-11400, 2.60GHz, 65W, 6C, 12MB
Validated OEM memory =
Four slots
128GB maximum
6TCK6 32GB HyperX Fury XMP DDR4, 3400MHz, Unbuffered, 288 pin, Dual Rank, 1.25V, Non-ECC, Kingston X6TCK6-MIE, X6TCK6-HYA
VTW4H 32GB HyperX Fury XMP DDR4, 3200MHz, Unbuffered, 288 pin, Dual Rank, 1.25V, Non-ECC, Kingston XVTW4H-MIE
JV223 16GB HyperX Fury XMP DDR4, 3400MHz, Unbuffered, 288 pin, Single Rank, 1.35V, Non-ECC, Kingston XJV223-HYA, XJV223-MIE
2YH1K 16GB HyperX Fury XMP DDR4, 3200MHz, Unbuffered, 288 pin, Single Rank, 1.25V, Non-ECC, Kingston X2YH1K-HYA, X2YH1K-MIE
W21KG 8GB HyperX Fury XMP DDR4, 3200MHz, Unbuffered, 288 pin, Single Rank, 1.25V, Non-ECC, Kingston XW21KG-HYD2, XW21KG-MIE, XW21KG-MIE2