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July 29th, 2020 03:00

15 R3, Unable to update to newest NVIDIA drivers

My AW 15 R3 laptop with a Nvidia GTX 1070/Intel HD 630 and i7-7700HQ has been stuck on an old driver for the 1070 card. Specificlaly the 23.21.13.8799, A11 driver.

Every time I try to update to one of the newer drivers the screen freezes. I have been able to confirm that the computer is still running in the backgorund but the screen does not respond.

All of the other drivers suggested by the Dell Update application are up to date. I have updated the BIOS to 1.9.

The only fix I have found so far is to reinstall the A11 nvidia driver. I have tried using DDU to uninstall both Intel and Nvidia drivers in safe mode and reinstalling but this has not helped. I have also run a complete hardware diagnostic with the Dell tool but it says everything is working as it should.

Does anyone have any other suggestions for how I can get the video driver updated? It has started to impact my ability to play some games.

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July 29th, 2020 12:00

Thanks for the reply! Unfortunately this does not respond to my issue. I know where all of the updated drivers are amd have installed all of the relevant ones (BIOS, Intel, etc). The problem is the Nvidia driver. I cannot update past the A11 without the screen freezing immediately.

I decided to run the PSA diagnostic again and it throws a 2000-0321 error. Indicates a problem with my lcd panel. This confuses me because my panel is working fine and I have no problems playing games running the 1070 with the A11 driver.

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July 29th, 2020 13:00

Do it with an external monitor and try the update. It should make the screen black for a moment then it should display an image again.

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July 29th, 2020 14:00

Yeah, I remember they still haven’t updated my thermal dynamic platform from 2013.

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July 29th, 2020 14:00

But you should try it with an external monitor because if the internal one freezes and the external one doesn’t, then it’s a display issue. If both the external and internal display freeze its a bad gpu vBIOS.

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July 29th, 2020 14:00

If you are trying to update the driver through the Dell Support page then I would go straight to Nvidia and download from there. I have never had an issue installing the driver directly from Nvidia. Dell are always slow updating the driver.. 

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July 29th, 2020 18:00

Step 1: Go to C:\ProgramData\Nvidia Corporation\NetService and delete the NSManagedTasks.xml file;
Step 2: Enter the task manager, select Show all user processes in the process, and end the NVNetworkService.exe process;
Step 3: Press the WIN+R key, type services.msc in the run, and click OK to open the service;
Step 4: Find the option of Nvidia Network Service in the service, right click and select start;
Step 5: Click on the graphics card to update the driver and complete the update.

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July 29th, 2020 19:00

Hopefully that fixes the issue for him.

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July 30th, 2020 01:00

@mattyb3 I tried updating using the drivers directly from Nvidia and the same problem is occuring

@xiaomei It appears that I do not have the "NetService" directory or the NSManagedTasks.xml file (I searched the entire drive)

@Alienware Area-51 ALX 2006 both screens freeze when I update the driver so that means a vbios problem?

A further update for you all. The 1070 is giving me a Code 43 error after updating the to the newest driver.

I noticed another thing after returning to the A11 driver. When I go to Device Manager, right click on the GTX 1070 under Display Adapters, and go to the Events tab it says something about Device PCI\[numbers and letters] requires further installation.

Thanks for you help so far!

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July 30th, 2020 02:00

A Code 43 usually means one of three things. 
1. Bad driver

2. Corrupted vBIOS

3. Dead/Dying GPU

First thing to try is roll back to an earlier driver.

If you still get the Code 43 then you can try flashing the vBIOS

If that doesn’t work then your GPU is having serious issues. 

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July 30th, 2020 03:00

@mattyb3 Thanks for following up. I have rolled back to the Dell A11 (23.21.13.8799) driver and the machine works well with that driver installed. None of the newer drivers work. The frustrating part is that I cannot play games that require updated drivers.

Do you have instructions on how to flash the vbios? 

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July 30th, 2020 03:00

@mattyb3 

Yeah, I am a bit hesitant to go that far. As I said, everything works fine with the older driver so I might just have to accept it and start planning for my next purchase...

 

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July 30th, 2020 03:00

I don’t like to tell people to flash a BIOS’ because there is always a chance of something going wrong. Firstly I’d make sure that your system BIOS is up to date. It’s possible that the vBIOS is also available on the Dell site but if not then TechPowerUp is the home of all the GPU vBIOS’. You need to install NVFlash and watch some YouTube videos or read guides on how to flash. A bad flash can brick your card though. 

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July 30th, 2020 04:00

The only similar problem I have found on the web is this one:

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/game-ready-drivers/13/304967/1070-black-screens-driver-update-issue-fix-ena/

but his "tempanent" fix doesn't work for me unfortunately. Especially with the Code 43 popping up. 

I have been trying to fix this on and off for two years and still haven't gotten anywhere with it. I wonder if it had to do something with the security update to Intel chips (due to the spectre problem?) in 2018. I cannot update to any nvidia drivers that were produced after that and I have come across a number of posts related to graphic cards failing due to that issue.

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July 30th, 2020 04:00

I’m running a 1070 in my old M18x and I can install the latest drivers straight from Nvidia (but I have to mod it first). There’s something not quite right with yours. It should install the Nvidia driver without an issue but it’s really hard to diagnose over a forum. 

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