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May 6th, 2021 17:00
15 R4, upgrading to 2TB C drive
Hi Folks:
I'm in the process of upgrading my Alienware 15 R4 to a 2Tb C Drive. The stock drive was 256Gb and is getting full. I ordered a 2Tb Aura Pro P12 from OWC. The Dell specs say that these laptops have only been tested to 1Tb, but this drive installed and formatted just fine. Next step is to clone my C drive over to this one then swap it into the current C drive's location. I'll report back once it's done.
-Mark
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crimsom
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May 6th, 2021 21:00
If you want guaranteed compatibility and do not want to buy direct from Dell/Alienware, go to Crucial. Crucial is the retail arm of Micron, and Micron is one of the few companies that actually make DRAM. This means that you are getting it straight from the source, rather than a re-packaged product which is what many other companies sell. You can see the guaranteed parts for the Alienware 15 R4 here: Memory RAM & SSD Upgrades | alienware | alienware notebooks | Alienware 15 R4 | Crucial.com, and Crucial says 2TB storage upgrade is recommended.
An ultrafast PCIe Gen3.0 x4 NVMe OS(C:) M.2 2280 drive is a good upgrade. Compare your selection of NVMe read/write speeds against the current market leader Samsung 970 EVO Plus M.2 SSD 2TB (PCIe Gen 3.0 x4 NVMe 1.3) Review. OWC Aura P12 NVMe M.2 SSD (PCIe Gen 3.1 x4 NVMe 1.3) Review.
ejn63
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May 7th, 2021 03:00
The the drive should run just fine in that system. And OWC has a very good reputation for support, so on the very slim chance the drive does not work, they will likely allow its return.
Be sure you do not boot the system with both the original and cloned drive in the system the first post-clone bootup.
A51-06
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May 7th, 2021 06:00
You know alot about this stuff @ejn63 .
Mark Oakley
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May 7th, 2021 16:00
Thanks for the info. I installed and formatted the drive in the 2nd NVMe slot, and the R4 can see it just fine.
I decided to use Acronis True Image to clone the C drive, and I then ran in to a bit of a problem: I can select my 256 Gb C drive as a Source, but the new 2 Tb drive is greyed out as the Destination. Possibly because it's installed internally on the same RAID bus? I also ordered an Express 4M2 which I will be using as an external drive but at the moment is empty. I'll try putting the 2 Tb drive in this and see ATI can see it.
-thanks, Mark
crimsom
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May 7th, 2021 18:00
Have used Acronis True Image OEM and this is very good at creating a clone. There is no requirement to format the new drive, Acronis will do everything. As you are having problems, open Disk Management, right click on new drive to get its properties, Partition Format should be GPT (GUID Partition Table). Open Acronis True Image OEM again, open its video help guidance, and take time to understand how to create a clone. Remember to F2 check BIOS, Enable Boot List Option UEFI.
The OP says single OS(C:) drive, so there is no RAID bus problem?
Mark Oakley
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May 7th, 2021 19:00
Hi Crimsom-thanks for the reply.
I'm not using an OEM version of ATI; I bought and paid for the full version. When I installed the new SSD I went into Disk Management and did a quick format on the drive. I chose GPD for Partition Format. After that it would show up in Windows Explorer (my PC) as the G drive.
On the advice of a user on the ATI Forum I tried the Add Drive tool, but the same result: the disk is seen but greyed out. ATI also un-formatted the new drive for me and it wasn't showing up in Windows Explorer anymore. I had to reformat the drive and now Windows can see it again. All 3 of my internal drives (256 SSD C drive, 1 TB SATA 7200 drive and the new 2 TB SSD) are on the internal RAID bus. The 1 TB SATA drive is not greyed out under the Clone Destination window, but the 2 SSD's are.
ATI recommends making a recovery boot drive, enable it in BIOS as the boot drive, putting the new drive in the C drive location and the original drive in an external enclosure. OWC forgot to send the Thunderbolt 3 cable with the order, so when it arrives I'll follow their instructions to the letter.
So far I'm disappointed with ATI-it hasn't done a single thing I paid for it to do.
-Mark
crimsom
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May 7th, 2021 20:00
I had no problems using free Acronis True Image OEM that came with the new 1TB PCIe Gen3.0 x4 NVMe storage card. My original SATA OS(C:) drive was cloned to a 1TB NVMe OS(C:) drive in a different internal slot.
crimsom
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If clone cannot be created, use Check Disk to find and fix any file errors on the original OS(C:) drive. If new 2TB OWC storage drive still greyed out, Acronis True Image does not recognise this disk. The new 2TB OWC storage drive has a manufacturing fault and should be rejected.
ejn63
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May 8th, 2021 05:00
Give Macrium Reflect (the free version is fine) a try -- it's easier to use, more reliable and flexible than Acronis True Image is. At one point I used ATI for everything -- and had problems at points where Reflect has none.
Mark Oakley
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May 8th, 2021 07:00
Thanks ejn63 for the tip on Macrium Reflect. I'm going to give ATI one more chance tonight and if it doesn't work I'll try Reflect. The new OWC SSD formats fine and I've written and read a few files from it so I'm pretty sure it's good. I'll post later on how it turns out.
-Mark
https://forum.acronis.com/sites/default/files/forums/178344/Disk%203%20Greyed%20Out%20_0.jpg
ejn63
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May 8th, 2021 08:00
The biggest advantage ATI has for some is that it can image other than Windows -- that's also its biggest downside for others, given that its recovery media use a modified Linux distribution, whereas Macrium builds a custom Windows PE boot image customized to your system and drivers.
crimsom
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May 8th, 2021 10:00
Other World Computing (OWC) is a leading zero emissions Mac and PC technology company. However, it seems that this is the first install of an OWC Aura P12 Pro NVMe on a Dell and/or Alienware computer. Install on Macintosh can have OWC NVMe upgrade issues. Hopefully, these Windows Issues can be resolved.
crimsom
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May 8th, 2021 12:00
Thanks for sharing image, which shows the clone interface is RAID. For a single OS(C:) drive, the Windows' Acronis clone interface is usually SAS. Do you have two disks for RAID 0 of the OS(C:) drive?
crimsom
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May 8th, 2021 15:00
The OWC Aura Pro P12 drive uses a RAID infrastructure. Because of this, it is recognized as an external storage drive, and not an internal drive. There is also the inability to install the Windows 10 Operating System. [Here]
Mark Oakley
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May 8th, 2021 20:00
Hi Crimsom:
Thanks for all the info. I just tried a hard drive Backup/Restore to the OWC drive using a USB boot media (as described by a user on the ATI thread), and the results are exactly the same: The OWC SSD is greyed out as a destination.
The part I don't understand is both the original Alienware C and D drives are also shown on the same RAID controller and of course they work fine. I'm not running any kind of RAID 0 or 1 setup-each drive is separate and has its own drive letter. When I have the OWC drive in the 2nd internal SSD slot in the R4 it behaves perfectly as an extra drive; I can write to it and read off of it.
I'm going to take ejn63's advice and try it with Macrium Reflect. If that doesn't work I'll call OWC on Monday and ask their tech support if the Aura P12's are compatible with being a Windows C drive.
-Mark