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March 18th, 2022 01:00

x17 R2, RTX 3080 Ti power barrier

Hello!

I have a x17 R1 (i9-11980HK, RTX 3080, 32GB RAM, 2TB SSD) and a x17 R2 (i9-12900HK, RTX 3080 Ti, 32GB RAM, 2TB SSD).

I use MSI Afterburner in game overlay for real time monitoring. And I did some tests on these two.

Prime95 30.3b6, 10 minutes small FPU test, CPU power: R1 90W(constant)/120W(max), R2 130W(constant)/165W(max)

MSI Kombustor4, 15 minutes, GPU power: R1 150W(constant), R2 125W(constant)

Furmark 1.29, 15 minutes, GPU power: R1 128W(constant), R2 138W(constant)

3DMark Time Spy, GPU power: R1 150W(max), R2 125W(max)/150W(max, Fn+F1)

Ran some games like Forza Horizon 5, Assassin's Creed: Valhalla, Cyberpunk 2077, Far Cry 6, F1 2021, Total War Warhammer 3, max GPU Power on R1 can easily reach 150W without Fn+F1 turbo mode, on R2 most of the time only 125W on GPU. If I turn turbo mode on on R2, the GPU can reach 150W but the CPU will step down very soon.

On the thermal side, the R2 reaches 100℃ CPU temperature and I think it's under the Intel regulations so it's OK for me. (https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/132215/intel-core-i912900hk-processor-24m-cache-up-to-5-00-ghz.html). Both GPUs don't exceed 75℃ and GPU thermal tweaking in AWCC doesn't work at all (I set it to 85℃). 

The 12900HK performance on R2 is the best from what I have seen, for now. It's amazing. I get constant scores around 7200 in Cinebench R20 continuously benchmark and better than the references (https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i9-12900HK-Processor-Benchmarks-and-Specs.589165.0.html).

My problem is the RTX 3080 Ti, I can't get it working on the 160W max power (without Dynamic Boost from NVIDIA). Most of the time it can only work under 125W power with CPU only around 130W and 95℃, and scores a little bit less than R1 in game benchmarks.

What may I do wrong? 

1. Is the AWCC bugged to tweak RTX 3080/3080 Ti Power Limit and Thermal Limit?

2. Is the AWCC bugged to UNLINK the GPU Power Limit and GPU Thermal Limit?

3. Is it the current BIOS/vBIOS tweaking that prevents RTX 3080 Ti on R2 exceeds the 150W power limit even on turbo mode?

4. If [3] is true, when can we get the new BIOS update to release the true R2 power?

5. If nothing above is correct, what may I do wrong that holds my R2 back? What can I do to release the true R2 power(12900HK at 130W with 3080 Ti at 175W at the same time).

Thanks!

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July 12th, 2022 12:00

It works for me!

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti Firmware Update Utility

This package contains the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti GPU VBIOS. A video BIOS is the BIOS of the graphics card or the integrated graphics controller in your system. It provides a set of video-related functions for programs to access the video hardware.

Fixes & Enhancements- Improved the GPU performance of the system.

Version 94.03.19.00.DB, A01

Release date June 14, 2022

 

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March 22nd, 2022 20:00

I've been trying to figure this out as well.  Something is definitely funky with the AWCC Thermal Profiles.  I'm not using AWCC Overclocking.  I was using TimeSpy as a test and I was just troubleshooting the GPU.  The GPU would not go over 140'ish watt on 'Performance', but if I change to 'Full Speed' I get 175 watt... BUT... the fans stay on FULL SPEED even at idle.  Does not make sense that the 'Performance' profile does not give max performance and the fans increase to full 'when needed'.

Out of the box, the R2 3080ti scores lower than the 3080 in the R1. 

It is fun to see the i9 score lower than the i7 due to thermal throttling as well.

Personally, I think everything is controlled in the BIOS and the AWCC is there just to drive us nuts and scratch our heads!!

March 31st, 2022 12:00

i have the same problem, my old alienware area 51m r2 rtx 2080super vs x17 r2.

the maximum power capacity of my x17 r2 is 120w in the GPU

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April 7th, 2022 07:00

Arkengelus,

Please check the system's activity by collecting some logs using HWinfo. This will help us to identify any abnormal behavior and the cause of it.  Please follow these instructions:
1. Download and install the app HWinfo here https://dell.to/37693Mc;
2. Once installed, start it up. Leave the sensors boxes blank and continue
3. Select the Save Report option. 
4. Under Export Format select HTML and go Next
5. Make sure all components but Current User are marked and click on Finish
6. Select the Sensors option. This will open a new window
7. On the bottom of this new window you will see an icon of a sheet of paper with a green plus symbol on it. Click on it and save the file on the desktop (to make sure it does not get lost)
8. Start testing your games for about 20-30 minutes. Continue playing even if the issue occurs again, that is actually what we are looking for.
9. Once passed this period of time, go back to HWinfo and where the sheet of paper icon had a green + symbol. You will notice it now has a red X. Click on it.

Once you have the file, please share it with us using any cloud service of your preference and we will proceed to analyze it.

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April 23rd, 2022 20:00

Hello!

I recorded a 1-hour log on the x17 R2, 1.4.1 BIOS, with 3DMark Time Spy. Average GPU Power is around 135W.

x17 R2 1-hour log Time Spy 

Wish this helps.

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May 30th, 2022 16:00

Hi, I have a X17 R2 and I am having the same issue as well, how did you solve it please?

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May 31st, 2022 14:00

not solved yet buddy

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June 6th, 2022 20:00

1- "My problem is the RTX 3080 Ti, I can't get it working on the 160W max power (without Dynamic Boost from NVIDIA)." RTX 3080Ti mobile TGP= 150W+25W. 175W will only be delivered under the right conditions.

2- "What can I do to release the true R2 power(12900HK at 130W with 3080 Ti at 175W at the same time)." It's impossible at this laptop. At full load on both, CPU + GPU, the x17 can do ~100W on the i9 and ~150W on the 3080Ti because of the temps limits.

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June 6th, 2022 22:00

I have the x17r2 and same issue here. I noticed no Dynamic boost in the control panel, my drivers are up to date, and m'y 3080ti still in 150w max. 

I think the bios is the root cause. It is needed to have an Intel discrete card deactivation in the bios to unshare the GPU cards power sharing..

I will try with NVIDIA inspector just in case .

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June 7th, 2022 09:00

The problem is AWCC. Return to Last version.

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June 7th, 2022 19:00

Hello, I see you are looking for technical assistance. If you need our help, you can start a private message with us and we will be happy to assist you.

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June 7th, 2022 19:00

Hi!

Maybe my statements were not very clear. From my first post:

Prime95 30.3b6, 10 minutes small FPU test, CPU power: R1 90W(constant)/120W(max), R2 130W(constant)/165W(max)

MSI Kombustor4, 15 minutes, GPU power: R1 150W(constant), R2 125W(constant)

Furmark 1.29, 15 minutes, GPU power: R1 128W(constant), R2 138W(constant)

3DMark Time Spy, GPU power: R1 150W(max), R2 125W(max)/150W(max, Fn+F1)

 

The x17 R2's GPU power is far from reaching 150W in almost any condition, neither by any means to get to the 175W max propaganda power, GPU only or CPU+GPU. Not at all. And in most of the gaming conditions that don't require that much CPU power, in which the CPU temperature and power consumption is far lower than in stress test, the GPU still won't boost up beyond 125W power in most cases.

I don't think this is acceptable.

In my Prime95+Kombustor stress test:

x17 R1 gets 83°C / 45W with CPU, 79°C / 125W with GPU

x17 R2 gets 78°C / 45W with CPU, 75°C / 125W with GPU

 

Prime95 CPU only stress test:

x17 R1 gets 101°C / 92W(constant) / 120W(max) on CPU

x17 R2 gets 104°C / 130W(constant) / 165W(max) on CPU

 

And from one of my other laptop with the same GPU configuration but not Alienware, in the same Prime95+Kombustor stress test:

85°C / 55W on the CPU, 82.3°C / 171W(without Dynamic Boost) on the GPU.

 

The Alienware x17 R2 is far from being in it's best performance, it's not the temperature limit, neither the power limit.

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June 8th, 2022 12:00

Prime95 CPU only stress test: x17 R2 gets 104°C / 130W(constant) / 165W(max) on CPU

-> This is expected in Full Speed!

In my Prime95+Kombustor stress test: x17 R2 gets 78°C / 45W with CPU, 75°C / 125W with GPU

-> this is too bad! Power stabilized at ~150W on GPU/~70W on CPU is expected at full speed.

I believe it is an AWCC issue. you must do a clean install of the oldest version available for X17 R2!

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June 9th, 2022 19:00

Window 11 22000.708, balanced power mode or high-performance power mode, it doesn't matter

AWCC 5.5.00 performance fan mode or full speed fan mode, it doesn't matter

x17 r2 i9-12980HK + RTX 3080 Ti, BIOS version 1.4.1

GeForce driver 511.79, Hybrid GPU mode or discrete GPU mode, it doesn't matter

HWiNFo64 7.24 or whatever, it doesn't matter

Prim95 Small FFTs + Kombustor or Furmark, it doesn't matter

CPU power is only 31W, temp is only 70~75°C

GPU power is only 60~130W, temp is only 71.3°C

Total system power is only 201W, far less to reach the 330W max.

https://imgur.com/a/lvE7MsY

 

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June 20th, 2022 07:00

Hi, was this fixed with the latest BIOS 1.5.2 update? Or still a problem? Thx in advance!

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