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Dell Compellent SC200/SC220 SATA support and Raid card
Dear all ,
I would like to know if the Dell Compellent SC200/SC220 can support SATA drives ,
and if its pure JBOD or it has its own raid card
Thanks
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Dear all ,
I would like to know if the Dell Compellent SC200/SC220 can support SATA drives ,
and if its pure JBOD or it has its own raid card
Thanks
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dr.kiev
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May 15th, 2020 08:00
Compellent SC220 nicely works as external storage via SFF8088 cables . Example: we used HP Gen7 server with LSI SAS HBA 6GBe card . No doubt, raid card should work aswell. Even intel SSD drive was inserted to sc220 without problem.
Edge_Ripper
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July 6th, 2020 14:00
Dear All , @dr.kiev @Origin3k
I have great news ,
starting from the top:
Setup :
-->R620
-->HBA :DELL H200E SAS
-->SC200 3.5' shelf
-->SC220 2.5' shelf
--> simple interconnect cables
so I got 1 SC200 and 1 SC220 ,
On the SC200 3.5' Drive shelf:
The SC200(3.5') disk shelf **DOES NOT** Support SATA drives of any kind only SAS Drives (at this point in time)
SC 200 with SAS drives (3.5') 300GB
In a few days I will have a SAS 3.5' Drive in my possession from seagate 16TB and I will try to get that installed and see how the shelf and HBA react.
Although after connecting the SC220 disk shelf on the port 2 of the SC200 shelf controller in essence putting them in series ,
(so HBA (any port)--> SC200(port A-in) -- Port B(out) ---> SC220(port A(in)) like a chain)
The SC220(2.5') **DOES** SUPPORT SATA drives (allegedly SAS drives too, although @dr.kiev already proven that)
SC 220 with SATA drive (2.5') 5TB
Now what are my next steps ,
Lastly regarding the HBA I got to a road block :
I removed the DELL H200E SAS and used an "LSI SAS9207-8e" that definitely supports SAS and SATA , uses more lanes (is faster) , it has official IT mode FW on it.
I got to the part that the server makes a profile for the card the server rebooted , after the reboot it failed and caused the system to Halt. with no way to recover besides Ctrl+Atl+Del combo.
I will try to use that newer card again ,but today I was out of time so I will try again at a later date. ( allegedly the issue was that I evoked that SAS utility prior to the characterization and something went wrong with the card FW I will try again now that the card is out of the server on a new one hopefully it will work as expected)
I will attach pictures with the details from the SAS utility :
** please see attached **(pictures wore while the shelf had both SAS and SATA drives in it )
Thank you in advance
The Edge_Ripper
Edge_Ripper
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July 9th, 2020 17:00
**Update**
The 16TB SAS 3.5' Seagate HDD works just fine along with the other SAS drives , nothing changed , and it was recognised immediately by the OS ( windows server 2016 DS with the HBA in passthrough mode)
-Next update would be about the other HBA I got the error with ,
-A hack to use the R620 caddies (2.5') in the SC220 ( you need to hack the case a bit ... not recommended but can be done )
-and to try to swap controllers ( although I think nothing will change maybe something inside the controller is the one that sets what the box can and can't do .. )
Thank you for the Kudo
Thank you in advance
Origin3k
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May 13th, 2020 11:00
The SC2x0 supports SAS only.
The SC2x0 is a JBOD without inbuild RAID capabilties.
The SC2x0 is designed to hook up behind a Storage Center and its not a general purpose JOBD like the MD12x0/14x0.
Regards
Joerg
Edge_Ripper
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May 14th, 2020 02:00
Dear Sir , @Origin3k
Okay I will take you at your word , because the seller reassured me that he used them in the way I need to like a general JBOD ,
cheap like 80GPB ,
anyway
also I am not looking to do any hardware RAID because I have issues with performance and being unable to add a tire 0 fast SSD in front of an array as cache , where in ZFS or other OS you can do that easily , ( yes I used also the cache option with the RAID controller to see no difference in the writes nor the read times ,latency skyrockets)
Lastly I would like to know what should I get for JBOD in order to be kind fo future proof ? like dual sas 12GB/s ?
or that is out of the question with at least R620 ?
Thank you in advance
Edge_Ripper
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May 14th, 2020 02:00
Dear Sir , @Origin3k
so I should avoid these 2 expansions boxes ?
and If i hook them up with a HBA they could potentially still work ?
or nothing is tested ?
Thank you
Origin3k
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May 14th, 2020 02:00
These are special devices to hook up to a SAN array. 99% it will not work... but to be honest nobody ever tried.
Do you have these around or consider to buy some for cheap? If its the 2nd. please go for MD12x0/14x0 and a PERC H8xx which offer battery backup/cache and all kind of RAID support.
Regards,
Joerg
Origin3k
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May 14th, 2020 03:00
The SC220/200 is a 6G SAS unit and IIRC from Q4/2012 or so. Original designed as a expansion unit for the Dell Compellent SC8000 SAN. If your seller guarantee that it will work .... go for it can ask if you get a refund if its not work as expected. The 1% change that it will work is based on that the SC8000 is a modified PowerEdge Server but with special SAS Cards from the time period.
About the general purpose units check https://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/04/campaigns/dell-raid-controllers?c=us&l=en&s=bsd#campaignTabs-3 (use MS Edge/Chrome because does not work in my FF) to see which SAS HBA card supports which JBOD
12G SAS
Origin3k
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May 15th, 2020 09:00
Thats cool news!
Regards,
Joerg
Edge_Ripper
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May 15th, 2020 10:00
Dear Sir ,
but that is great news
@dr.kiev We can't see the pictures ( at least I can't )
Thanks
Edge_Ripper
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May 16th, 2020 12:00
Dear All ,
after @dr.kiev has provided pictures that SC200 and SC 220 can work as JBOD
Now I am SURE that both these packages can be as JBOD ,
@Origin3k now please revise your info because these boxes are dirt cheap ... (not for long )
@dr.kiev Thank you so very much for the reassurance and help
Thank you all for the help and information
Edge_Ripper
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May 27th, 2020 14:00
@dr.kiev @Origin3k
Okay I got my SC200 , and I see only SAS drives it supports ...
Although I will test it with more 3.5' Drives
for now it works as a JBOD but no SATA support ... for now ...
if anyone has any other way to make the box support SATA , I am open to suggestions
Thanks
Edge_Ripper
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May 27th, 2020 14:00
@dr.kiev Dear sir ,
I have windows server 2016 DS , the item shows up on windows manager ,
but I can't see any drives , I can see the actual box ,
what you did other than plug and play ?
Thanks
Edge_Ripper
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May 27th, 2020 15:00
@Origin3k
Dear Sir ,
If I don't manage to make it to get SATA , I will just get SAS drives for it and call it a day ...
Thank you in advance
Origin3k
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May 27th, 2020 15:00
Try NLSAS rather than SATA.
Regards,
Joerg