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October 28th, 2003 07:00
4550 boot problem / tech support almost worthless / diagnostic lights
Hi everyone-
I have been having a boot problem with my 4550 for a while now. Upon power up, the drives flash on and off, and the computer acts as if it is powering on and off at a rate of about once per second. I called Dell tech support and after 3 hours, the guy basically gave up and said he'd call back within an hour once he figured out the problem. Of course he never did. Not wanting to spend another 3 hours on the phone, I tried email support. What a joke. The first guy that responded started out on the right track, but stopped responding as soon as the going got difficult. I received another email from someone new who asked me to start all over. So I start over. And again, the guy just stops responding after a few messages. It was clear that no one was reading my messages very carefully, because they would ask me questions that were already stated in the original email. It was also clear that there is no service record for my computer, since they all ask the same questions again and again (ie are you sure the monitor is plugged in....wow great work on that question) .
So basically, I have two questions:
A: is there anyway I can just get a refund/ credit for this piece of junk. I have had it for 6 months and it has been in an un-usable state for 4 out of those 6 (it had serious OS problems out of the box! freezing and everything else!). Anyone had experience with that? I mean if I tech support cannot fix it....
B. Would anyone recommend taking it to a local CPU shop to get a diagnostic? I doubt there is anyway to recoup the $$ spent on the test, but I seriously don't have the time to deal with it.
Finally, I can give a description of the problem, and if anyone out there can help, that would be awesome.
I have a 4550 Dimension with XP, DVD, CDR, 128 DDR memory, some budget ATI video card, modem, pretty standard stuff.
The computer will not boot - in fact it does not even get far enough to hear the 'POST' beep. I think it sounds like the power supply is cutting in and out because all my drives click on and off, and I can see their LED's click on and off. But the fan runs smoothly and the front power LED is on. whatever it is, the computer does not get far enough into booting to see a video feed, or read the floppy A for boot.
Tech support had me read off the diagnostic LED's as I unplugged every single drive and card. Every time (all drives, no drives and in between), the lights read:
A: amber/green flashing B. amber C. green D. green.
Which supposedly suggests a memory problem. (IS THERE ANYWHERE TO FIND THESE CODES MYSELF ONLINE???!)
However, I bought new memory at CompUSA and that did not clear up the problem. So now I am left wondering what to do and whether this computer will ever work....
If you get this far, thanks for your help!



NFFAA
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October 28th, 2003 08:00
Within 1 year you can get a replacement system once you get an authorization from tech support. Tell them your 4550 is inoperable and that your previous attempts at fixing it have not corrected the problem. Be firm but polite, always redirecting the conversation toward getting a replacement system. If they stall after this approach, read them the riot act. Remember, they have to give you the same configuration that was shipped to you, so if you have changed anything, return the system to it's shipped configuration.
This was the methodology I used with a cdrw problem and I had a replacement in 2 days.
Good luck,
NFFAA
Dell Dimension 4400,1.6ghz p4,768Mb ddr sdram,20gb primary hd, 60 gb slave(both wd) ,radeon 7500 64 mb ddr video,sb live 5.1 digital audio,Harmon Kardon speakers, 4 port firewire, 4 port usb,hp930c, hp 5400c, sony trv 330 digital camcorder, intel pro pac webcam ,dell E151FP lcd monitor, 24x nec cdrw, 48x samsung cdrom.Palm IIIxe.
marco27
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October 28th, 2003 09:00
if your diagnostic lights at the back indicate a YYGG, then that will be a memory problem.
if you remove the memory modules, do you get the same diagnostic lights? if not what are they?
if you get the same diagnostic lights, turn off the computer again then remove the IDE cables, memory modules and the expansion cards. turn on the computer and check the diagnostic lights. check also if you are getting any beeps when you turn the machine on. if you don't get any beeps, you have a bad motherboard. if you get a beep, check the lights at the back. if you get the same lights then you have a bad memory module. if you get a different set of lights, that could mean another thing. you'll have to post what the diagnostic lights are.
you'll find more information about the diagnostic lights from http://premiersupport.dell.com/docs/systems/dim4550/advanced.htm#1118998
Message Edited by marco27 on 10-28-2003 05:41 AM
cereal_killer
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October 28th, 2003 13:00
could you verify the quad again,.. if the light (A) is blinking, try to remove all the expansion cards,.ie modem, nic.. etc
then remove the falt gray cables, (IDE cables) all!
then remove me module,
if the light (A) would still flicker, then you have isolated the problem to three parts, MOBO, PRC and or PSU.
if you call dell tech support and get routed to india, maybe they can send out all the parts because they might not know how to fix it..
if you get routed elsewhere, maybe you will be able to find a better solution..
and please do not be mad at tech support, they always try to help you!
hope this helps
oakguy2000
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October 28th, 2003 23:00
marco:
I pull the memory chip out and get 6 beeps upon startup, with no signs of the drives clicking on and off. The lights are then Green, Y,Y,Y. If the problem is memory, it is more complicated than just the chip though. I bought another chip from compusa (yes I checked the specs) and I have the same problem. Also, it seems rather strange that the memory error would cause a flashing light A (green and yellow). The timing of the flashing is the same as the powering on and off of the drives. I don't have access to the dell premier site, so I cannot see what the codes mean. Is tehre anything there about flashing light A?
cereal:
I have gone through and unplugged the cards and drives one by one and altogether. Always the same combination of lights. What are MOBO, PRC and or PSU? Do you have a reference to what a flashing A led means?
Thanks a bunch guys!
marco27
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October 29th, 2003 06:00
oakguy,
green, yellow, yellow, yellow, means that the memory is not being detected by the board.
what are the specs of the memory modules you installed?
have you tried installing the memory module you got from dell into the other memory slot?
when you installed the new memory modules what are the diagnostic lights at the back?
also you may want to try reseating the processor.
good luck!
cereal_killer
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October 29th, 2003 12:00
try to remove everything from the computer, the motherboard shall only be connected to the PSU- power supply unit, PRC- processor , mobo is the mother board..
see if you would still get the flashing A(amber) it you do, you might need to replace the MOBO and / or the PRC
davidearnest
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October 29th, 2003 23:00
To reinforce what has been said in other replies, my 4550 arrived dead out of the box with the EXACT same problem that you are having several months ago.
After being told it was a video card problem and being sent two new video cards over the first week or so, I finally got to a tech who immediately recognized it as a memory problem.
When the new memory arrived, all was fine. For a while, anyway.
I share your frustrations.....I am on my 15th Dell between home and work and have had more problems with this machine than all of the others put together. The memory problem, one new monitor, three new video cards, three cordless keyboards/mouse (worthless as far as I am concerned) and three hard drives--as I write I am waiting on a rebuilt computer following my latest problems (after more than 40 hours spent with tech support, "repairing" XP, reformatting and reinstalling windows at least ten times, unistalling and then intalling practically every device repeatedly).....all for what I believe now was another memory problem.
I want to remain brand loyal as all my other experiences with Dell have been so positive. Might be hard to do, however. Good luck.
oakguy2000
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October 30th, 2003 19:00
marco27
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October 31st, 2003 10:00
oakguy2000,
do you still have warranty for your computer? it would be advisable to call dell technical support for a replacement of the motherboard and memory modules. otherwise, a call to dell spare parts division would help you to purchase a motherboard and memory modules.
NVRambo
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October 31st, 2003 14:00
Sounds like a flaky DIMM socket on the mb or the CPU is ditzed.
easperhe
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January 14th, 2006 17:00
All,
Did anyone every figure out what the original combination of diagnostic lights means for sure:
Message Edited by easperhe on 01-14-2006 01:43 PM