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October 24th, 2009 07:00

Dimension 4550CPU Upgrade

I have a Dimension 4550 with a P4 2.66 CPU and would like to upgrade to a 3.06. The current Bios is version A05

I have available a P4 3.06 CPU model SL6S5. This seems compatible with my motherboard; am I correct in my assumption?

 

Also, do I need to update the Bios to version A08 or does my present A05 version support the upgrade and include HyperThreading?

 

Shaun

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October 24th, 2009 08:00

CPU speed is not the only thing that speeds up a computer. Hard drive speed, memory, bus, cache etc. will all still be the bottlenecks in an old 4550 and going up to 3.06 would not make much difference. I don't know if the cpu would work, but you should always have the latest (and last) bios when doing upgrades.

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October 24th, 2009 08:00

Hyperthreading isn't much of an advantage -- and in fact can actually slow things down vs. keeping the setting turned off.  Many games and some video apps actually run slower with HT enabled - in all, it was a poor substitute for a true dual-core CPU and very little software remains that can benefit from HT.  You just won't see much, if any boost from the 3.06 vs. the 2.66 - and none at all from HT.

It's not worth spending the $50+ on.

 

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October 24th, 2009 08:00

Thank you Mary for your reply. The CPU upgrade is only one of several upgrades that I am making to this old workhorse of a desktop. I want to maximise the CPU possibility as I have found a very modestly priced working model (£20) which will give me the benefit of HyperThreading which my present 2.66 model does not.

 I have increased memory and plan on changing the video to an ATi model from my present Nvidia FX 5700 as certain Ati models support Avivo technology which will be useful in speeding up my use of the computer for video file conversion as it uses the onboard hardware for the conversion as apposed to (the much slower) software only that I am presently using.

 

Shaun

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October 24th, 2009 09:00

Borland Interbase was one application that ran much faster with HT turned off.

Extra memory, a faster hard drive, and a modern video card are good choices to boost a 4550's throughput.

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October 24th, 2009 10:00

You'll not see a noticeable overall increase short of installing a 10,000 rpm Raptor - which will require a controller card -- and at that, it won't do much overall.  The P4 architecture is just too old and slow for anything to appreciably boost its overall performance.

 

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October 24th, 2009 10:00

OK, so the 3.06 is no better than the 2.66 I already have even though Windows XP  takes advantage of HT. Hmm..I will ponder that one.

The hard drive is a more difficult one as the 4550 does not accept the SATA models, only IDE/UltraDMA drives. Do you have any particular models in mind that would give me a noticable increase over my present 120Gb 7200 HD?

 

Shaun

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October 24th, 2009 11:00

OK, so the 3.06 is no better than the 2.66 I already have even though Windows XP  takes advantage of HT. Hmm..I will ponder that one.

The hard drive is a more difficult one as the 4550 does not accept the SATA models, only IDE/UltraDMA drives. Do you have any particular models in mind that would give me a noticable increase over my present 120Gb 7200 HD?

 

Shaun

Yes -- do what I did with my 4550 and install a Syba 150R SATA card (or equivalent) and use a SATA drive.

 

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October 24th, 2009 14:00

>....Yes -- do what I did with my 4550 and install a Syba 150R SATA card (or equivalent) and use a SATA drive....< 

Ooh, that sounds interesting. Was it expensive for the whole lot?

I see that Dell are now officially supporting the use of 1Gb memory modules (PC3200 400). See here:

http://accessories.dell.com/sna/PopupProductDetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=A0740408&price=47#Overview

The reviews seem to be very much in favour.

 

Shaun

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October 24th, 2009 16:00

Yes, I agree with that. However, you will be able to install 2Gb of ram for use with Vista/Windows 7.

 

Incidentally, the upgrade of the Bios to A08 was absolutely painless, thanks to Dell's very easy implementation of it within Windows.

 

Shaun

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October 24th, 2009 16:00

While you may be able to install PC3200 RAM, it won't run at PC3200 speed - there is no 800 MHz bus support in this model;  the RAM will downclock to 533 MHz.

 

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October 24th, 2009 16:00

[The Syba 150R card was $16 before shipping. It permits the use of regular SATA devices, like hard drives and Blu-ray optical discs, ...... I used two GSKILL PC3200 1gb DIMMs in my 2350.The memory had been bought for a an Athlon 64, but I tried it in the aging 2350 and it worked fine.

 

 

That's good to hear. I have been hearing that low density modules are more compatible than the high density ones.

 

Shaun

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October 24th, 2009 16:00

>....Yes -- do what I did with my 4550 and install a Syba 150R SATA card (or equivalent) and use a SATA drive....< 

Ooh, that sounds interesting. Was it expensive for the whole lot?

I see that Dell are now officially supporting the use of 1Gb memory modules (PC3200 400). See here:

http://accessories.dell.com/sna/PopupProductDetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=A0740408&price=47#Overview

The reviews seem to be very much in favour.

The Syba 150R card was $16 before shipping. It permits the use of regular SATA devices, like hard drives and Blu-ray optical discs, with a mainboard lacking SATA support. SATA hard drives are faster and have larger capacity than old-fashioned EIDE units.

Although I never tried it, the 4550 likely supports the use of generic 1gb memory modules. I used two GSKILL PC3200 1gb DIMMs in my 2350.The memory had been bought for a an Athlon 64, but I tried it in the aging 2350 and it worked fine.

 

 

 

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October 25th, 2009 10:00

When I removed the current CPU there was no thermal compound that I could see and both the cpu and heatsink base were clean as a whistle so I am sure there was none there to begin with.

I have installed the 3.06 cpu without any compound and so far so good. The system bios (previously upgraded to A08) recognises the new CPU. Windows XP recognised the new hardware and installed the necessary driver to and (after a restart) is showing the system as having two logical processors. I will closely monitor the situation as my PC is usually left on all day. Also, the next time I need to open the case (probably in a week or so to further upgrade the memory) I will have got hold of some compound and will, as suggested, place a small amount on the cpu. If it all goes belly up in the meantime, well, I still have my old cpu to reinstall if necessary.

I must say that this was a very easy upgrade and in my case a cheap one (£20 or $33US). There is a real decrease in both load time and closing down time (about 8 seconds) so already I feel that the upgrade was worth it.

Shaun

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October 25th, 2009 13:00

spmontgomery 

Directions for cleaning and applying thermal compound, are HERE.

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October 27th, 2009 04:00

For those people who say that hyperthreadng doesn't have any tangible advantages please take a look at this video comparing a 3Ghz P4 with HT against a 3.6Ghz P4 without HT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is7frW9Z-rw

 

I see that Windows 7 has also been optimized to take advantage of HT

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