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April 11th, 2006 13:00

defragmentation and free space...need help please!!

My free space is down to 19.......is it normal for system not to be able to defragment  document files?  I know very little about computers.  I have a dimension 4550 and I remember getting black screens with white letters saying there was problem with ntfs disc or file and for me to wait while a check was being done.  This happened 3 or 4 times and it was after these instances that I noticed my system very noticeably slowing.  I can defragment and reboot and go back to analyze system and it will say it needs defragmenting immediately after having done so.  Does anyone know what my problem might be?  Thanks and God Bless, Mary
 
 

April 11th, 2006 13:00

free space is doown to 19 what is that percent or gigs or something else? How large is your hard drive 19 gigs on a 160 gig HD clearly is different than 19 gigs on a 40 gig hard drive.  If your hard drive is over half full it will begin to slow if you have only 19% free space I would guess that it has gotten extreemely slow and that this might be creating issues with how well the defrag will or will not work.

If you have added a ton of information and/or not defragged in a long time it may take multiple defrags to actually get it corrected.

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April 11th, 2006 15:00

I printed the report for last defragmentation. 

 It read.. Volume size 55.84 GB, cluster size 4KB, used space 44.73 GB and free space 11.11 GB and percent of free space 19%.   

Volume fragmentation reads Total Fragmentation 31%, File fragmentation 60%, and free space fragmentation 3%

File fragmentation reads Total files  77, 363, average file size 823 kb, total fragmented files 281, Total excess fragments 286,812, average fragments per file 4.70

Pagefile fragmentation ... pagefile size  384 mb, total fragments 907

Folder fragmentation....Total folders 4,766 and fragmented folders 1 excess folder fragments=0

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation ....Total MFT size 90MB, MFT record count 84,191, percent MFT in use 91% and Total MFT fragments =5

Files that cannot be fragmented  are all document and settings/ my documents and are listed below

fragments                     File size

5,023                             377 MB

5,257                             420 MB

4,438                             484 MB

7,967                             520 MB

5,047                             536 MB

7,071                             536 MB

6,713                             580MB

6,069                            598 MB

11,058                         755 MB

5,927                           684 MB

6,736                          686 MB

9,985                          689 MB

5,533                          692 MB

6,224                        693 MB

7,569                       696 MB

6,761                       696 MB

7,541                      697mb

5,447                      699 MB

4,615                      699 MB

8,501                      700 MB

10,279                    700 MB

8,456                      700 MB

8,828                      700 MB

10,517                    701 MB

6,141                      701 MB

7,933                      705 MB

6,537                      720 MB

8,872                     738 MB

7,672                     753 MB

10,299                  783 MB

By the way.....my system will defragment in just minutes and upon rebooting  I will analyze and it says need defragmenting.  I have repeated the process as many as 6 times with the same results.

Thanks, Mary

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April 11th, 2006 15:00

I just completed another analyze and defragmentation and it took less than 2 minutes. 
 
on report like i just sent a few minutes ago
 
used space went up to 44.74 GB was 44.73
free space went to 11.10 GB was 11.11
total files      77,811 was 77,363
average file size 819 KB was 823 KB
total fragmented files 280 from 281
total excess fragments 286,804 was 286,812
avg. fragments 4.68 was 4.70
total folders under fragmentation  4,764 was 4,766
MFT record count 84,637 was 84,191
 
everything else was the same as info in last report I sent you.
 
Thanks Again and God Bless, Mary

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April 12th, 2006 03:00

if you know how to, boot into safe mode and do the defrag there (not analyze)

edit: you may also want to check the disk for errors as well

 

 

Message Edited by xcator on 04-11-200611:03 PM

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April 12th, 2006 04:00

I got in safe mode and started defrag.  at 12:49 am and it took less than 1 min. to analyze and started defrag at 12:50 am ....at 12:51 it hit 3% and then 5% ........at 12"52 it hit 14% ........at 12:53 it hit 15% and just completed instantly  and said defragmentation complete

I tried once more at 12:54 defrag was at 1%, 3%,5% and suddenly said defrag complete in less than 2 mins.

For whatever reason it seems unable to complete defragmentation.  If you have any further ideas I would be happy to try them.

Thanks again and God Bless, Mary

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April 12th, 2006 09:00

If it were me, I'd probably do a full system scan for virus and other malware. Once I knew the system was clean, I'd defrag with O&O defrag V8.0 Professional Edition. This defrag is much better than the Windows defrag and, unlike Windows, will do an off-line defrag of your page file and MFT reserve files. The defrag has a 30 day free trial http://www.oo-software.com/en/download/

 

Hope this helps you.

Bobby

 

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April 12th, 2006 14:00

Bobby,
 
I think you solved my problem.  I downloaded the defragmenter and it said my degree of fragmentation was over 60%.  It has been working for over 2 1/2 hrs. and is at 35% complete. 
I'm assuming all the deleting of files that I did in the last couple of weeks just left more space that needed defragmenting.  Only large files I have are photos from digital camera so I'm assuming those files  caused the problem for my defragmenter.  I had already deleted alot of those but it hadn't done me any good.
 
THANKS!!!! SOOOOOOOOO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
GOD BLESS, Mary
 
 

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April 12th, 2006 15:00

another solution is never let the fragmentation go above 5%
you can schedule a defrag while you are away from your computer.

"fragmentation was over 60%."
Wow you are lucky your computer could function at all at that level.

Defrag early and often.

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April 12th, 2006 18:00

Thanks for the response.  I had my computer set to defrag automatically once a week plus I was also doing it myself and using disc cleanup and rebooting at least once daily to keep it running.  I didnt realize that it was only defragmenting a small % and then kicking out saying defrag was complete until I watched it so closely earlier when trying the responses from the forum.  I think Dell and windows need a better defragmenter in their systems.  I even went to dell and had a system check there and all was well they said.   I know so little about computers that I didnt know there were different ones out there....lol.  My defragmenter doesnt  give % needing defragmention....just the files that couldnt be defragmented.   I was amazed when the new defragmenter I downloaded said more than 60%. 

Thanks again and I'll remember the 5% rule!!!!

God Bless, Mary

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April 12th, 2006 19:00

Hi Mary,
I'm happy it's working.
The O&O defrag can be set to run automatically and you have a choice of using a defrag profile that will run in the background. I use it on all my network machines and am happy to pay for it.
Have a great day.
 
Bobby

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April 13th, 2006 01:00

Hey Bobby,

I wanted to let you know I'm down to 3.04% fragmentation and up to 62% on my free space after running the O&O Defragmenter twice.  I'm hoping to see a big difference in my system now.  Can't thank you enough.  I will definitely use the forum for any future problems since everyone that responded made things so simple for me to understand.  I was terrified when I made my posting that I would never understand what any of you guys were talking about if you did respond.  Heck, I wasnt even sure I was posting correctly.....LOL. 

I hope you and yours have a wonderful Easter Holiday.

You guys are all the greatest and I mean that sincerely.

Mary

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