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December 23rd, 2012 18:00

studio xps 9100 RAM upgrade

I'm kind of ashamed to admit that I posted about this a year ago and never acted on it for lots of reasons...but now I'm installing an SSD and decided to upgrade the RAM as well. I definitely have 9 GB (2 + 1 X 3). Knowing how things change I thought I'd best get some new guidance because RAM is not one of my areas of expertise at all. I want to max out (24 GB) unless anyone thinks that's a bad idea. I do no gaming but a lot of photo/video editing and ProTools work. More than anything I want the system to be stable (no OCing).

I used the Crucial scanner (which I used to believe one could trust) and here's what it reported:
Memory Type: DDR3 PC3-12800, DDR3 PC3-10600, DDR3 (non-ECC)
Maximum Memory: 24GB
Currently Installed Memory: 9GB
Total Memory Slots: 6
Available Memory Slots:  0

But I checked speccy and here's what that said:

Slots #1, 3, 5
    Type    DDR3
    Size    2048 MBytes
    Manufacturer    Hyundai Electronics
    Max Bandwidth    PC3-10700 (667 MHz)
    Part Number    HMT125U6BFR8C-H9  
    Serial Number    1946B7A2
    Week/year    37 / 10
    SPD Ext.    EPP

Slots #2, 4, 6
    Type    DDR3
    Size    1024 MBytes
    Manufacturer    Hyundai Electronics
    Max Bandwidth    PC3-10700 (667 MHz)
    Part Number    HMT112U6BFR8C-H9  
    Serial Number    04C3E581
    Week/year    48 / 10
    SPD Ext.    EPP

So I don't know whether I have PC3-10700 (667 MHz) or a combination of DDR3 PC3-12800, DDR3 PC3-10600. :emotion-8:

The Crucial scanner recommended this:

16GB kit (4GBx4), Ballistix 240-pin DIMM, DDR3 PC3-12800 memory module
Part Number: CT3587496

    Module Size: 16GB kit (4GBx4)
    Package: Ballistix 240-pin DIMM
    Feature: DDR3 PC3-12800
    Specs: DDR3 PC3-12800 • 8-8-8-24 • Unbuffered • NON-ECC • DDR3-1600 • 1.35V • 512Meg x 64 • Low Profile •

I find this really weird because if I have 9 GB (2 + 1 X 3) that means it's tri-channel (why would they recommend only 4 sticks?).

Based on the system make/model, NewEgg's memory finder recommended this:

Dell 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory $32
Dell 2GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory $25

I assume they mean X3, for 16 GB total = $171

I'd really rather go with a name: Corsair, Patriot, Kingston, than a Dell-branded stick.

I found this on TigerDirect:

Patriot G2 Series PGD38G1600ELK Division 2 Edition Desktop Memory Kit -
8GB (2 x 4GB) PC3-12800, DDR3 1600MHz, 9-9-9-24 CAS Latency, XMP Ready
$45 X 3 = $135

If someone could guide me on the spec I actually need I'd greatly appreciate it.

I'm not gun shy about most specs, but RAM shopping always makes my head hurt. :emotion-13:

dg

December 24th, 2012 11:00

Prior discussions

http://en.community.dell.com/owners-club/xps/f/3681/p/19450814/20112512.aspx

  references

http://en.community.dell.com/owners-club/xps/f/3681/p/19401585/19998120.aspx

http://en.community.dell.com/owners-club/xps/f/3681/p/19364008/19818114.aspx  4GB OEM details

other discussions

http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/desktop/f/3514/p/19354805/19783735.aspx dual vs triple channel - our conversation 2 years ago.  chips same but not tested together - important

http://en.community.dell.com/owners-club/xps/f/3681/p/19407700/19954649.aspx our discussion on RAM and SSD for your 9100

http://en.community.dell.com/owners-club/xps/f/3681/p/19401585/19950811.aspx 4GB part number

Posted by                                    LawrenceSoCal  on  11-13-2011 4:46 PM

Just an FYI - I preferred to get OEM matching RAM, just to be safe.  But the price was too good to not try this out this weekend.   Fry's has a sale now on Corsair DDR3 12GB (3x4GB) 1333MHz Triple Channel, Corsair CMX12GX3M3A1333C9 for $69.99 - $30.00 Rebate = $39.99  (so $80 after rebates for 24GB of RAM).      http://www.frys.com/product/6482282  FRYS.com #6482282    UPC: 843591011174    Corsair XMS3 12 GB : 3 x 4 GB - DIMM 240-pin - DDR3 - 1333 MHz / PC3-10600 - CL9 - unbuffered - non-ECC Latency Timings CL9 ( 9-9-9-24 )
Price check today - Dec 24 2102 $56 after rebate  - see what you get for waiting ;^)
I year later - still solid
 
Recommendation
- name brand as you mentioned
- crucial recommendation wrong.  newer i5 and i7 don't use the triple channel our i7-9xx chips use.  see above links - you want 2 triple channel kits of 3x4 (12GB) for maximum supported ram.
- PC3-10600 with lower latency is what you should look for.  faster chip is fine if you get it on sale (you won't use the extra speed, but won't hurt either.  so if price is same or lower, might as well get the higher rated chip (beware higher latencies though, which are not desirable)
- I get nothing but trouble from TigerDirect (had customer service lie to me last week about something no need to lie about) - recommend avoiding them
- if you want to be adventurous, desire lots of RAM, and have a place with a generous return policy you could try 8GB DIMMs.  Dell will say not supported but that because not tested, not that it won't work.  Numerous reports of x58 motherboards successfully running 48GB of RAM.  Our XPS 9100 - don't know

December 25th, 2012 09:00

I was actually looking at that, but earlier today ChrisM said "PC3-12800 is not supported." That's why I ruled it out.

for anyone else who reads this thread with a similar concern

not supported meaning the motherboard won't go faster (ie operate RAM at PC3-12800).  However PC3-12800 RAM will work just fine at slower speeds. and CAS7 should provide a small speed boost as well

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December 24th, 2012 07:00

dg27,

There are no overclocking options on the Studio XPS 9100. Below is the ram we shipped on this model =
DDR3 1333 MHz PC3-10600 (I/O Bus Clock 667MHz)
P382H 4GB Samsung, 1333MHz, 512X64, 8, 240, 2RX8
1N7HK 2GB Hynix, 1333MHz, 128X64, 8, 240, 1RX8
G8NT0 2GB Micron, 1333MHz, 128X64, 8, 240, 1RX8
P223C 2GB Samsung, 1333MHz, 128X64, 8, 240, 2RX8
TW149 1GB Micron, 1333MHz, 128X64, 8, 240, 1RX8
GR82X 1GB Nanya, 1333MHz, 128X64, 8, 240, 1RX1

PC3-12800 is not supported. It is all PC3-10600 with an I/O Bus Clock of 667MHz. So I do not think speccy is reading our ram correctly.

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December 24th, 2012 08:00

Thanks, Chris--this is helpful.

What gets me confused is that sometimes when I look for PC3-10600 it comes up as PC3-10666.

I'm assuming this RAM would work:

Crucial Ballistix BLS2KIT4G3D1339DS1S0 Desktop Memory Kit - 8GB (2x 4GB), PC3-10600, DDR3-1333MHz, 240-pin DIMM, 1.5V, CL9, Non-ECC, Unbuffered

Please confirm. Thanks.

dg

December 24th, 2012 11:00

What gets me confused is that sometimes when I look for PC3-10600 it comes up as PC3-10666.

PC3-10600, DDR3-1333MHz or faster is fine.  per other msg, you won't use faster speed, but it won't hurt either.  yes you'll see 10600 and 10666.  you can google why that is the case. for you, feel free to ignore/consider the same for the 9100.

675 Posts

December 24th, 2012 12:00

Thanks for all your help, Lawrence.

I'll post what I plan on getting once I've picked it out. Didn't remember that I could replace just the 3 X 1GB (I thought slots 1-2, 3-4, 5-6 had to match).

dg

675 Posts

December 24th, 2012 13:00

So if I opted to replace all the RAM and go with 24 GB, I'm assuming this would be OK?

CORSAIR XMS3 12GB (3 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Desktop Memory Model CMX12GX3M3A1333C9

  • Cas Latency: 9
  • Voltage: 1.5V
  • Multi-channel Kit: Triple Channel Kit
  • Timing: 9-9-9-24
  • Model #: CMX12GX3M3A1333C9

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145332

$60 X 2 = $120 @ NewEgg

What concerns me is that there is no mention of PC3-10600 anywhere in the product description. But on the same NewEgg page they show the same model number (Model #: CMX12GX3M3A1333C9) in a dual channel kit, and there they list it as PC3 10600).

dg

December 24th, 2012 13:00

Didn't remember that I could replace just the 3 X 1GB (I thought slots 1-2, 3-4, 5-6 had to match).

have to match per bank of 3 slots.  seperate banks don't need to match

from the XPS 9100 service manual

CAUTION: If you remove your original memory module(s) from the computer during a memory upgrade, keep them separate from any
new memory module(s) that you may have, even if you purchased the new memory module(s) from Dell™. If possible, do not pair an original memory module with a new memory module. Otherwise, your computer may not start properly. The recommended memory configurations are: matched memory module(s) installed in DIMM connectors 4, 5, and 6 and another matched memory module(s) installed in DIMM connectors 1, 2, and 3.

December 24th, 2012 13:00

What concerns me is that there is no mention of PC3-10600 anywhere in the product description.

DDR3-1333 is PC3-10600 (10666/10667) - sort of redundant.  so don't be concerned about the lack of mention. 

that part number is for the triple channel kit [http://www.corsair.com/en/xms3-12gb-triple-channel-ddr3-memory-kit-cmx12gx3m3a1333c9.html], so not sure why referenced in a dual channel kit 

you are referencing the same part I ordered. so I know it worked in my Studio XPS 9100.  Similar triple channel kits from the other big names should work just as well.   note for the same price you can get http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148549 or for $10 more, CAS7 chips http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148510

Lots of 3x4GB options http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611%20600006078&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=100

 

 

675 Posts

December 24th, 2012 13:00

OK, this clears up that question.

I'll probably opt to replace all six sticks with two sets of three.

Thanks.

dg

675 Posts

December 24th, 2012 14:00

>>note for the same price you can get http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148549

I was actually looking at that, but earlier today ChrisM said "PC3-12800 is not supported." That's why I ruled it out.

>>or for $10 more, CAS7 chips

Actually I am somewhat partial to Crucial, having used their sticks before. Is this better RAM or is it 6 of one and half dozen of the other?

Considering how infrequently I upgrade, I think this may be worth it if CAS7 makes a difference.

Thank you,

dg

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December 24th, 2012 19:00

i have dell 9150 and i upgraded my ram with dell chips made by kingston which work well not all chips are compatible mixxing like samsung. download CPUID-z programm for accurate info on your system from dell. also yes there is a programm available too over clock mhz on ram xps 400 , 9100, 9150 ect. if you purchase ram from dell ask to be sure it is made by kingston which mine is and has dell logo on it.....any other questions just ask...also i do not recommend using system checking software from other web sites... risky virus potential. crucial, newegg, ect. any questions just ask.....xps 400/9150 intel pentium d 960...

also the 10.600 and 12.8 is the band width and as was mentioned is redundant dont worry about that your chipset x58 and w/cpu detirmines the bandwidth x58. also if you go too higher frequency ram it wont run it all but it wont hurt as mentioned before also.:emotion-11: hope this helps confirm...

675 Posts

December 24th, 2012 21:00

Thanks for this useful info.

--dg

675 Posts

December 25th, 2012 09:00

Thanks, Lawrence: This is an important clarification. I took "not supported" to mean that the difference in the spec might mean that the system wouldn't boot up properly, or that there could be other problems, etc.

dg

675 Posts

March 10th, 2015 14:00

Hello VMR88,

Yes, I did upgrade my RAM in December 2012 and then upgraded the an a Samsung 840 Pro SSD a couple of months later.

I checked and the RAM I bought was this:

Crucial Ballistix Tactical 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model BLT4G3D1337DT1TX0. I got 2 kits of 3 X 4 GB at Newegg. I just checked and it's not available there:

(www.newegg.com/.../Product.aspx;Tpk=N82E16820148510).

It did seem to make a significant difference all around, as did the SSD.

I have been using Pro Tools a lot that can be a huge resource hog, but I have had no issues whatsoever.

I sure hope you can find the RAM.

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