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December 22nd, 2002 01:00

PC 1066 RDRAM or DDR SDRAM at 266 MHZ

Recently I configured an 8250 system and 4550 system with everything the same except the type of ram of course.  The  8250 PC1066 RDRAM system was $10 cheaper (it had a better rebate).

My question is with every the same (processor, front side bus, price, hard drive size, etc) would you choose a system with PC1066 RDRAM or DDR SDRAM at 266 MHZ ?

Everyone so far I have talked to says the DDR is better.

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December 22nd, 2002 02:00

ok, since you say that everything is the same except for the Type of memory, then the next thing to look at would be the Speed of those 2 types of memory, the DDR266 or PC2100 is 2100mb per second speed, the PC1066 is 4200mb per second speed, the RDRAM is Double the memory bandwidth than the DDR, which will allow your processor to run at Maximun efficiency. so just in my opinion I would choose the system with RDRAM because it is currently the fastest memory. 

P.S. I think why most people say that DDR is better is because it is cheaper in price, but its also slower so you get what you pay for.     

Message Edited by MViani on 12-22-2002 12:14 AM

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December 22nd, 2002 02:00



@obrien040362 wrote:

Recently I configured an 8250 system and 4550 system with everything the same except the type of ram of course.  The  8250 PC1066 RDRAM system was $10 cheaper (it had a better rebate).

My question is with every the same (processor, front side bus, price, hard drive size, etc) would you choose a system with PC1066 RDRAM or DDR SDRAM at 266 MHZ ?

Everyone so far I have talked to says the DDR is better.



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December 22nd, 2002 03:00

For what it's worth, I agree with Mitch

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December 22nd, 2002 04:00

RDRAM all the way. Your starting behind the game if your buying DDR.

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December 22nd, 2002 05:00

The benchmark test i have seen show pc1066 faster but not twice as fast as  ddr  ?  I  think some of the comments against RDRAM were heat issues.  Also I have seen comments on weather it has the ECC feature.  Does all PC1066 have ECC feature.

from http://www.acme.com/build_a_pc/memory.html

  • PC2100 (DDR266), 133MHz DDR, 2.1 GB/s
  • PC1066, 533MHz DDR, 2.1 GB/s

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December 22nd, 2002 16:00

obrien,

According to the Acme website, it is showing that RDRAM PC1066 is only 2.1gb/s this info is for single channel the Dell Dimension 8250 RDRAM is Dual-Channel memory so you have to double the numbers, RDRAM PC1066 is 4.2gb/s not 2.1 like the DDR. Now as for Real life performance, SiSoftware Sandra Benchmarks show PC2100 (DDR266) as being anywhere from 1600-2070mb/s Range on Intels i845 series chipsets and PC1066 RDRAM as 3340mb/s on Intels i850 series chipsets, so the PC1066 is still between 1.5 - 2 times faster than PC2100 DDR. 

http://www.deviantpc.com/articles/systembus/p4.shtml

 

Message Edited by MViani on 12-22-2002 02:16 PM

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December 22nd, 2002 16:00

The RDRAM that Dell utilizes is Non-ECC, and yes I'll get on the bandwagon and say RDRAM as I Have an 8250 which replaced a 6mo old 8200 and yes it is very fast. My wife had a 4550 for about one week and decided she wanted at that time an 8200 which we arranged and she is very happy with its performance. Just my opinion.

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December 23rd, 2002 04:00

does dells ddr memory come with the ECC feature. 

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December 23rd, 2002 12:00

I believe that by default all dell systems ordered thru their Home division ship with the Non ECC memory, and on their Small Business division most systems come with the ECC memory. you can specify which one you want at the time you place your order.

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December 24th, 2002 22:00

Not sure, but I have been told that the PC1066 produces a LOT of heat and that it runs faster than even a 533mhz FSB (motherboard) can keep up with.  I just bought a 4550.  I also compared it with the 8250.  While the prices are very comparable, remember that the 4550 supports 1 GB max RAM at 266 or 333 mhz (depending upon the system) and the 8250 supports 1.5 GB PC1066 RAM.  So, if you need more than a gig of memory, go with the 8250.  The main factor that made me choose the 4550 (besides the bottleneck and heat issues) is price.  PC1066 is, as far as I know, produced exclusively by Rambus and thus very expensive.  I compared prices and found the PC1066 to be roughly twice as expensive as the 333 mhz (PC2700).  Keep that in mind if you plan on upgrading!

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December 25th, 2002 22:00

"Not sure, but I have been told that the PC1066 produces a LOT of heat ...."

I'm not sure either, but I think what it is about RDRAM isn't that the whole stick produces a lot of heat compared to similar speed SDRAM, it's that certain chips in the package get a lot hotter than the other ones.  I think this is due to the serial nature of the memory and that the different chips cycle from being on and off and in between.  This is why you see almost all RDRAM come with the little metal heat spreaders on them, not to cool the whole stick down per se but to spread the heat out among the hotter and cooler chips in the package, whereas only the higher end SDRAM comes with heat spreaders from the factory, and in this case the purpose is not so much to even out the heat but to help with heat dissipation on the whole stick.

"Everyone so far I have talked to says the DDR is better."

You cannot deny that PC1066 RDRAM is faster.  It simply is.  Look up any hardware site and look at their benchmarks.  The RDRAM wins nearly every single time, even edging out the Granite Bay/dual channel DDR combo which has the same theoretical max. bandwidth.  Now, DDR IS cheaper, and probably has a longer future ahead of it that Rambus, but it is NOT faster at stock speeds.  Now as to whether it is "better" that is up to you. 

DDR is cheaper.  It will cost less to add more RAM with DDR.  But it will probably cost you the SAME to add more AND replace your motherboard so that it runs at a similar speed to Rambus.

DDR can probably be used in your future motherboards.  But that does not help you right now, as you do not have a future motherboard, and a future motherboard will cost you $$$.

DDR is, right now slower. 

What I would do if I could, and I couldn't live with the idea of buying a slightly slower system, is wait until the new motherboards are out and then buy a DDR based solution.  Or if you really must have the fastest now, I would get RDRAM and then take it up the behind when I add more RAM.

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December 26th, 2002 16:00

What is better ECC or Non ECC if you are using you computer for Multi Media and Games.

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December 27th, 2002 01:00

Non ECC is generally cheaper, and most people who are not using their computers as servers nor to process data that is critical to their businesses do not need the capabilities of ECC.  I have also heard ECC is also slightly slower.  Being a cheapskate myself I would go for non ECC for home use.

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