I dont know about the "fritz", but they do they have a flux capacitor running at 1.21 gigawatts i believe.
smackie.
just having fun
I wish also that this palladium thing was a joke
however it seems quite serious to me and I actually would like a Dell Moderator to make a statement on this one... (not that I don´t value your answer smackie
)
From what I´ve heard intel´s newest processors like the centrino (banias), dothan (and some desktop processors that I don´t know the name of) are equipped with a special chip with the purpose of "securing" your PC so you can only use content (mp3s, divX and programs) that are verified by microsoft to be legit through the hardware id-chip.
It´s sort of like a dongle but for the whole windows operating system.
Some of the functions will kick in when MS releases SP2 and the rest when they release Longhorn and Palladium.
Until you post an official press release from Intel regarding this or some superior source, I have to say it is not true. I don't see Intel producing a CPU and then making it have some sort of antipiracy function. First of all, Intel would never agree to do this for Microsoft as it would hurt their market. Second, not everyone uses Windows XP. Why would Intel create a processor that has antipiracy functions for only Windows XP or later versions of windows? Does not make sense to me.
@HyTekJosh wrote:
Until you post an official press release from Intel regarding this or some superior source, I have to say it is
not true.
If Intel and Microsoft were planning on weaving Digital Rights Management into the windows OS with the help of hardware from intel they would not boast about it.
It would ruin their sales.
The best way to do it would be to sneak it in without anyone noticing (exept geeks like us). It would be in the fine print or between the lines. They would have to build it slowly.
Like when a security update for Media Player a few years back stated in the fine print (EULA) that installing the patch would mean sayin yes to automatically downloading future security updates with DRM capabilities without you knowing. See Link.
The question is if Intel and Microsoft and the Trusted Computing Group (formerly known as TCPA) are interested in digital rights management?
And if they wanted to could they build it (OS and hardware DRM) in small steps so there is no fuzz?
2005 (if not delayed) Microsoft will launch the next version of Windows, called Longhorn (to avoid the anti trust lawsuits associated with Windows) and include a feature that is called Next Generation Secure Computing Base (formerly known as Palladium).
NGSCB will be both software and hardware.
To quote MS :
"Q: What is the "SSC" component of NGSCB?
A: "SSC" refers to the Security Support Component, a new PC hardware component that will be introduced as part of the NGSCB architecture. The SSC is a hardware module that can perform certain cryptographic operations and securely store cryptographic keys that are used by the nexus and nexus computing agents (NCAs) to provide sealed storage and attestation functions. At a minimum, the SSC provides RSA public-key operations (encryption, decryption, digital signature generation and verification), Advanced Encryption Standard (AES) encryption and decryption, and Secure Hash Algorithm 1 (SHA-1) hash computation. The SSC also contains at least one RSA private key and an AES symmetric key, both of which are private to the SSC and are never exported from the chip.
Q: What is the "TPM"? Is that the same as the SSC?
A: The term "SSC" is generally interchangeable with "TPM" or trusted platform module. The TPM is a secure computing hardware module specified by the Trusted Computing Group, an industry consortium made up of Advanced Micro Devices Inc. (AMD), HP, IBM Corp., Intel Corp., Microsoft and many other companies working together to promote open industry-standard specifications for trusted computing hardware building blocks. The upcoming version of the TPM (version 1.2) is expected to serve as the SSC in the NGSCB architecture."
End quote
NGSCB is supposed to make for a "safe" computer and is marketed that way, however the real intentions for this part of Longhorn was seen early on when the idea of a future digital rights management OS was patented by Microsoft december 2001. See link.
I don't see Intel producing a CPU and then making it have some sort of antipiracy function.
They built the pentium III with a hardware id chip. The id was for e-commerce trust and validation intel claims. But it could also be used to track all your moves on the internet and find out if you are downloading illegal content.
However they were forced to turn it off because several consumer groups protested and said they would not buy it.
First of all, Intel would never agree to do this for Microsoft as it would hurt their market.
It would NOT hurt their market if they say the chip is for security and not DRM. They are marketing Palladium & Longhorn as the answer to all the security issues in windows XP. But what if it could be used to do other things too that the Trusted Computing Group (consisting of Microsoft, Intel, AMD, HP, IBM and Sony) would probably like very much?
Sony is by the way one of the biggest owners of copyrighted material, and one of the biggest interests in digital rights management. They have spent alot of money on copy-protection schemes and lost alot of money because people download their stuff from the net.
The TCG a group with the sole purpose of making NGSCB happen.
IBM (member of TCG) already sells an Ibm thinkpad that has TCPA compliant
Second, not everyone uses Windows XP.
No but you have to start somewhere. In time people will buy faster computers bundled with the latest MS operating system. It´s a long term plan.
On various sites there are claims that the pentium-m platform is TCPA compliant through hardware, so it will work with NGSCB. I want to know if this is true. See link.
My overall point is that at this time Intel is not putting this technology into their CPU's. They may be incorporating something into their motherboards, etc, but I do not see any reason to worry about the "Dothan" CPU itself containing this technology.
Also take note that the FCC has a proposal that will require all devices handling digital content recognize a broadcast flag. This not only includes TVs and PVRs but also PCs. Digital connectors, DVI and HDMI, have already been mandated by the FCC for DTV. These connectors have an encryption, called HDCP (High Definition Content Protection), built into them. The device will receive instruction via the broadcast flag wether to encrypt over HDMI when outputting. It will also tell the device if recording is allowed.
smackie
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May 13th, 2004 11:00
I dont know about the "fritz", but they do they have a flux capacitor running at 1.21 gigawatts i believe.
smackie.
just having fun
bedilam
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May 13th, 2004 14:00
I wish also that this palladium thing was a joke
however it seems quite serious to me and I actually would like a Dell Moderator to make a statement on this one... (not that I don´t value your answer smackie
From what I´ve heard intel´s newest processors like the centrino (banias), dothan (and some desktop processors that I don´t know the name of) are equipped with a special chip with the purpose of "securing" your PC so you can only use content (mp3s, divX and programs) that are verified by microsoft to be legit through the hardware id-chip.
It´s sort of like a dongle but for the whole windows operating system.
Some of the functions will kick in when MS releases SP2 and the rest when they release Longhorn and Palladium.
here are some links:
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/%7Erja14/tcpa-faq.html
http://www.hbutz.com/wwwboard/messages/163.html
http://www.google.se/search?q=cache:zibHwlZsWi0J:www.ibgames.net/alan/technical/palladium.html+fritz+palladium&hl=sv
regards,
bedilam
haze20
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May 13th, 2004 17:00
Sounds like Digital Rights Management.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/drm/default.aspx
i8600 1.5GHz, WUXGA, 1GB 2dimm, 128 Mb ATI Radeon 9600, 60 Gb 5400 RPM HD, DVD+RW, True Moble 1300, Microsoft MN-700 base station, Windows XP Home
HyTekJosh
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May 13th, 2004 17:00
bedilam
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May 14th, 2004 10:00
If Intel and Microsoft were planning on weaving Digital Rights Management into the windows OS with the help of hardware from intel they would not boast about it.
It would ruin their sales.
The best way to do it would be to sneak it in without anyone noticing (exept geeks like us). It would be in the fine print or between the lines. They would have to build it slowly.
Like when a security update for Media Player a few years back stated in the fine print (EULA) that installing the patch would mean sayin yes to automatically downloading future security updates with DRM capabilities without you knowing. See Link.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/06/30/ms_security_patch_eula_gives/
The question is if Intel and Microsoft and the Trusted Computing Group (formerly known as TCPA) are interested in digital rights management?
And if they wanted to could they build it (OS and hardware DRM) in small steps so there is no fuzz?
2005 (if not delayed) Microsoft will launch the next version of Windows, called Longhorn (to avoid the anti trust lawsuits associated with Windows) and include a feature that is called Next Generation Secure Computing Base (formerly known as Palladium).
NGSCB will be both software and hardware.
To quote MS :
"Q: What is the "SSC" component of NGSCB?
A: "SSC" refers to the Security Support Component, a new PC hardware component that will be introduced as part of the NGSCB architecture. The SSC is a hardware module that can perform certain cryptographic operations and securely store cryptographic keys that are used by the nexus and nexus computing agents (NCAs) to provide sealed storage and attestation functions. At a minimum, the SSC provides RSA public-key operations (encryption, decryption, digital signature generation and verification), Advanced Encryption Standard (AES) encryption and decryption, and Secure Hash Algorithm 1 (SHA-1) hash computation. The SSC also contains at least one RSA private key and an AES symmetric key, both of which are private to the SSC and are never exported from the chip.
Q: What is the "TPM"? Is that the same as the SSC?
A: The term "SSC" is generally interchangeable with "TPM" or trusted platform module. The TPM is a secure computing hardware module specified by the Trusted Computing Group, an industry consortium made up of Advanced Micro Devices Inc. (AMD), HP, IBM Corp., Intel Corp., Microsoft and many other companies working together to promote open industry-standard specifications for trusted computing hardware building blocks. The upcoming version of the TPM (version 1.2) is expected to serve as the SSC in the NGSCB architecture."
End quote
NGSCB is supposed to make for a "safe" computer and is marketed that way, however the real intentions for this part of Longhorn was seen early on when the idea of a future digital rights management OS was patented by Microsoft december 2001. See link.
(http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/12/13/the_microsoft_secure_pc_ms/)
They built the pentium III with a hardware id chip. The id was for e-commerce trust and validation intel claims. But it could also be used to track all your moves on the internet and find out if you are downloading illegal content.
However they were forced to turn it off because several consumer groups protested and said they would not buy it.
It would NOT hurt their market if they say the chip is for security and not DRM. They are marketing Palladium & Longhorn as the answer to all the security issues in windows XP. But what if it could be used to do other things too that the Trusted Computing Group (consisting of Microsoft, Intel, AMD, HP, IBM and Sony) would probably like very much?
Sony is by the way one of the biggest owners of copyrighted material, and one of the biggest interests in digital rights management. They have spent alot of money on copy-protection schemes and lost alot of money because people download their stuff from the net.
The TCG a group with the sole purpose of making NGSCB happen.
IBM (member of TCG) already sells an Ibm thinkpad that has TCPA compliant
No but you have to start somewhere. In time people will buy faster computers bundled with the latest MS operating system. It´s a long term plan.
On various sites there are claims that the pentium-m platform is TCPA compliant through hardware, so it will work with NGSCB. I want to know if this is true. See link.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/09/11/where_art_thou_stuckists_intel1/
Please DELL answer me.
HyTekJosh
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May 14th, 2004 11:00
haze20
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May 15th, 2004 12:00