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April 6th, 2003 12:00

External Firewire enclosure gets disconnected randomly

Hi guys

I added an external Firewire Enclosure to my Dell Insp 8200 and it works fine.
But sometimes it just gets disconnected for no reason. First I thought it is the plug, when I moved the laptop a bit but now I also have that happening when not moving it, it just happens.

Any suggestiosn here on how to fix that problem?

Thanks a lot

Cu
StarSheep

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April 20th, 2003 12:00

   I recently had that problem with a QPS M3 Hard Drive, but the system crashed a few more times and the problem went away...    Win Me has given me more trouble than it's worth...But then again I don't rule out the I8000 itself either...

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April 20th, 2003 18:00

From what I recall,  the cases of this I have heard about so far point to one of two causes.  First,  a bad firewire cable.  Although price does not necessarily mean quality in a cable,  cable quality can make a big difference in performance.  Right now I have 2 4pin to 6pin cables which I paid $10 each,  and they work like a champ when I connect my external HD to my system.  I also have a Belkin 4pin to 4pin cable that also woeks flawlessly to connect my digital camcorder to my Dell notebook.  Of course,  I also paid $35 for that cable at Best Buy before I "knew better"...  I feel that I was lucky in getting my cheap cables because many folks here have had problems using such cables.

The second possible cause of your problem would be Windows XP (if that is the OS you are running).  I beleive that MS has documented and fixed 30+ firewire related bugs in XP.  My understanding is that the majority of them are addressed by XP SP1 (or SP1a) and then there are several more hot-fixes that need to be applied after that.  If you are running XP,  you might want to check into that.  IIRC,  the user "SpeedStep" on this forum has a pretty good list of MS issues with firewire,  and how to address those that have an answer.

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April 20th, 2003 18:00

Yeah I know and I really read a lot about the problem and also tried that GAP update that was suggested but the conclusion of most users was that the FW port of the DELL is faulty or at least kind of.
I played around with drivers and no improvement so far.
I also changed the cable and so I think I can also roll at that error.
Next week my 3,5" enclosure will arrive and so I can test the FW port with that drive. If the same errors occur it might be the port. If not it maybe is the 2,5" enclosure.
BTW the 2,5" works without any error perfectly via USB20.

Kind of strange isn't it

Cu and thanks
StarSheep

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April 20th, 2003 19:00

Yeah that is a bit odd.  I also have a combo 2.5" carrier,  and mine has been working good so far.  I was little disappointed in the overall performance with it,  but I still can't complain too much.  When I connect it via firewire to use as the destination for a Ghost 2003 image,  I only get about 600 MB/Min throughput,  although I get about 850-900 MB/Min using the same drive in my media bay.  Both firewire and USB 2.0 perform about the same when copying a large amount of data to the drive using Windows Explorer,  but that is not a very good "scientific performance measure". 

I have not yet tried too hard to get the USB 2.0 PC-Card to work under DOS so I can try to get performance numbers that way,  but I suspect it will be a much more difficult task than it is worth (since the firewire connection works ).

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April 23rd, 2003 05:00

I've already had the motherboard in my 8200 replaced once to correct the firewire port issues and am about to call Dell again to get them to replace it a second time.

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April 23rd, 2003 13:00

Yeah i think the firewire port built in is a bit duff so i bought a Firewire PCMCIA card. This solved the random disconnect gubbins but unfortunately i still get the error where XP Bluescreens and complains about disk.sys.

Funnily enough linux worked great with the PCMCIA card althoug it did disconnected randomly when i used the DELL Port. Hmmm, it seems both DELL and Microsoft are at fault.

90 Posts

April 23rd, 2003 18:00

Wel, well. I talked to DELL on the phone today and the guy on the other hand wasn't even able to speak perfect GERMAN ( I am German by the way) and he wasn't much of help.
I also now have the problem that my USB20 PCMCIA card and the FW port of the Inspirion are not working together at the same time.
I have a thread running about this if someone wants to take a look.

So if there are any more suggestions please let me know.

BTW, how did you convince DELL to change the motherboard. I am pretty sure that when you ran the DELL DIAGNOSE it came up with no error, right?

Cu
StarSheep

37 Posts

May 5th, 2003 09:00

How did I convince them to replace the board.

Well, it took me twenty minutes of time on the phone for me to finally let *them* know that the problem was with the connector on the motherboard.  Sure enough, when the Dell tech came out with the part the following day, it fixed the problem.

It's still not perfect, however, but it actually works half the time now.  The dropouts are nasty, especially when burning to 4x DVD-R media (that stuff is costly when the firewire connection drops!).

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May 6th, 2003 10:00

 

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May 6th, 2003 10:00

  

9 Posts

May 6th, 2003 10:00

   Well my replacement Inspiron is on it's way as well. They replaced the system board twice this past week and  now the system is totally dead. So after 8 months of calls they are finally replacing the system completely. God I hope this solves the problems...

37 Posts

May 6th, 2003 11:00

are they replacing the system with a newer model or the same model?

529 Posts

May 7th, 2003 14:00



@JersWork wrote:

From what I recall, the cases of this I have heard about so far point to one of two causes. First, a bad firewire cable. Although price does not necessarily mean quality in a cable, cable quality can make a big difference in performance. Right now I have 2 4pin to 6pin cables which I paid $10 each, and they work like a champ when I connect my external HD to my system. I also have a Belkin 4pin to 4pin cable that also woeks flawlessly to connect my digital camcorder to my Dell notebook. Of course, I also paid $35 for that cable at Best Buy before I "knew better"... I feel that I was lucky in getting my cheap cables because many folks here have had problems using such cables.


The second possible cause of your problem would be Windows XP (if that is the OS you are running). I beleive that MS has documented and fixed 30+ firewire related bugs in XP. My understanding is that the majority of them are addressed by XP SP1 (or SP1a) and then there are several more hot-fixes that need to be applied after that. If you are running XP, you might want to check into that. IIRC, the user "SpeedStep" on this forum has a pretty good list of MS issues with firewire, and how to address those that have an answer.





I agree. The only time I have had problems with random disconnections was when running on battery with the I8200 on my lap and with the cable nearly stretched to its limit.

i.e. prime conditions for cabling problems.

I strongly suggest that anyone having random disconnection problems try a different 1394 cable...

90 Posts

May 7th, 2003 17:00

I don't wanna sound rude, but don't you think I would ask for help if I hadn't sorted out such problems like cable problems.
I already changed it and already have Sp1a and already tried the hotfixes.
The only thing I haven't tried is getting the mainboard replace as someone wrote that solved his problems.

Next thing I will do is return the case and see if the FW port is broken but that kind of is my last option

Greetings
StarSheep

529 Posts

May 8th, 2003 13:00



@starsheep wrote:
I don't wanna sound rude, but don't you think I would ask for help if I hadn't sorted out such problems like cable problems.
I already changed it and already have Sp1a and already tried the hotfixes.
The only thing I haven't tried is getting the mainboard replace as someone wrote that solved his problems.

Next thing I will do is return the case and see if the FW port is broken but that kind of is my last option

Greetings
StarSheep



3/4 or more of the people here that post with random disconnection problems wind up fixing it with a new cable and nothing else.

So assuming that people have tried swapping cables is not correct, because the majority of people who post with this issue have NOT tried swapping cables before posting.

Sorry to hear that it didn't fix things for you.
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