Not that I know of, and I've been watching closely. So far its been a ***** (rhymes with glitch) trying to order the thing from Dell and I have had no luck. Although I did see a post.... I think somewhere on the upgrade board from memory.... of one user saying that they should have it by weeks-end and installing it. Man its been a long wait though, I just wanna know if I can do it... extend the life of my i8500 with gaming until the end of next year and get a new laptop (hopefully with dothan) early next.
Hey there stu, that would be me...if anyone's interested, I'll take detailed pix of the swap, but it'll be in my D800 (almost identical chassis as the 8500).
Stu, the D800 chassis/cooling solutions are the same as those of the 8600.
The various D800s I work with all run much quieter & noticeably cooler than identically specc'd 8600s.
As far as the 8500 goes - it's CPU is a hotter one than that of the D800/8600, but then again, the GFG4200 is also the hottest, most power hungry mobile card in the series...from all reports, the Radeon 9600 Pro Mobilty runs cooler.
Definitely buy a tube of Silver Arctic 5 or even better, ShinEtsu G751 - I do this as a matter of routine with all the Dell heatsinks, and the GPU heatsinks as well.
ShinEtsu thermal compound is almost impossible to get Stateside - widely found in Oz though, may have to get you to mail me a tube
I knew I had seen someone post it, but couldn't find the topic I saw it in.............
Anyway, that info/ pics would be great! It isn't the best system to compare with, as although the chassis is the same the CPU is different (P-M compared to P4-M).... but its only supposed to come with the 4200go as well so would have potentially the same issues with heat, etc. Thanks a heap!
Yeah, Its a lot more like the i8600 to do with heat output, etc..... but from what I've read the 9600Pro actually runs hotter than the 4200go, not cooler. Some have said up to 100deg c, whereas my 4200go gets to a max of 70deg after heavy gaming use. I don't know whether this has to do with the card, or the fact that it runs next to the faster (and hotter) RAM in the i8600.... that remains to be seen. In any case, hopefully its workable in the i8500 (and D800), and any heat can be combatted somewhat like you said, with some Arctic Silver or ShinEtsu.
It is very surprising that the M10 seems to run hotter than the Geforce 4 4200go, it seems like the M10 should be cooler. I even bought an antec notebook cooler just in case the M10 worked in the 8500 and ran on the hot side. The notebook cooler cools my 8500 significantly!
Heh heh heh...if I am to believe Anandtech's site, there's no way I'm giving up the ATI Mobility card...apparently it just plain smokes the FX5650 128MB card, let alone the GFG4200.
She'll just have to live with the GFG4200, as she also has a desktop...3.20HT 400SC with 2GB DDR400 RAM & a 128MB ATI Radeon 9600 XT...she really doesn't need the Radeon Mobility 9600, which would serve my D800 just fine, it being the only machine I use
Having said that, I've never really found the 64MB GFG4200 lacking in anything yet...
As far as heat goes - I believe it was Anandtech that said the 128MB Mobility 9600 Pro Turbo should run cooler than the GFG4200 in theory...but that's something I will post as soon as I get the swap done.
Yep, the problem is with the BIOS heat cutoff point..... which is lower in the i8500 than in the i8600, meaning the laptop will shut-off at a lower temperature than the i8600 will endure.
I suggest that you add some thermal compound (such as antec silver) to the heat sink on the 9600pro so that heat absorbence is more effective... and also add some to the CPU heaksink to lower the bleed through temp. Hopefully a bit of that on both the GPU and CPU will lower temps enough to make it useable.
Thats the best we can hope for until Dell offer a newer BIOS that increases this shutoff point (if they do)... or until someone ca hack the BIOS (don't even know if thats possible).
I fixed my heat problem with the mobility radeon 9600. I removed the original Heatpads on the die, and used a 1.5mm copper plate instead. A little bit hatsink compound from arctic cooling and now the GPU doesn't get hotter than 75°C.
MadMax,
I was finally able to get someone at Dell Spare Parts to take my order for an ATI 9600 with a delivery date of 2/19/04. I was wondering if you could give me some more detail on how you modified your card to run cool enough for your I8500.
Also, what are the specs of your I8500? I have the 2.2GHz so I'm hoping that heat won't be as much of an issue. My CPU right now is at 39 after about 7 hours of use.
Thanks for any help you can give me.
sakor1
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February 12th, 2004 00:00
Not that I know of, and I've been watching closely. So far its been a ***** (rhymes with glitch) trying to order the thing from Dell and I have had no luck. Although I did see a post.... I think somewhere on the upgrade board from memory.... of one user saying that they should have it by weeks-end and installing it. Man its been a long wait though, I just wanna know if I can do it... extend the life of my i8500 with gaming until the end of next year and get a new laptop (hopefully with dothan) early next.
stu
ofelas
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February 12th, 2004 03:00
Message Edited by ofelas on 02-12-2004 12:51 AM
ofelas
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February 12th, 2004 04:00
Stu, the D800 chassis/cooling solutions are the same as those of the 8600.
The various D800s I work with all run much quieter & noticeably cooler than identically specc'd 8600s.
As far as the 8500 goes - it's CPU is a hotter one than that of the D800/8600, but then again, the GFG4200 is also the hottest, most power hungry mobile card in the series...from all reports, the Radeon 9600 Pro Mobilty runs cooler.
Definitely buy a tube of Silver Arctic 5 or even better, ShinEtsu G751 - I do this as a matter of routine with all the Dell heatsinks, and the GPU heatsinks as well.
ShinEtsu thermal compound is almost impossible to get Stateside - widely found in Oz though, may have to get you to mail me a tube
sakor1
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February 12th, 2004 04:00
I knew I had seen someone post it, but couldn't find the topic I saw it in.............
Anyway, that info/ pics would be great! It isn't the best system to compare with, as although the chassis is the same the CPU is different (P-M compared to P4-M).... but its only supposed to come with the 4200go as well so would have potentially the same issues with heat, etc. Thanks a heap!
stu
sakor1
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February 12th, 2004 05:00
Yeah, Its a lot more like the i8600 to do with heat output, etc..... but from what I've read the 9600Pro actually runs hotter than the 4200go, not cooler. Some have said up to 100deg c, whereas my 4200go gets to a max of 70deg after heavy gaming use. I don't know whether this has to do with the card, or the fact that it runs next to the faster (and hotter) RAM in the i8600.... that remains to be seen. In any case, hopefully its workable in the i8500 (and D800), and any heat can be combatted somewhat like you said, with some Arctic Silver or ShinEtsu.
stu
percman24601
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February 12th, 2004 17:00
As I've said before, if I could get someone at dell that would take my order for the ATI Pro 128mb I would love to be the first to try it.
Can anyone help with the contact info?
ofelas
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February 12th, 2004 18:00
sakor1
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February 12th, 2004 20:00
Ha! Sneaky, sneaky....... but a good idea. If it works then you can order it as a standalone ey, or just strand your wife with your old card
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stu
Nerdtalker
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February 12th, 2004 23:00
Nerdtalker
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February 13th, 2004 00:00
ofelas
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February 13th, 2004 00:00
Heh heh heh...if I am to believe Anandtech's site, there's no way I'm giving up the ATI Mobility card...apparently it just plain smokes the FX5650 128MB card, let alone the GFG4200.
She'll just have to live with the GFG4200, as she also has a desktop...3.20HT 400SC with 2GB DDR400 RAM & a 128MB ATI Radeon 9600 XT...she really doesn't need the Radeon Mobility 9600, which would serve my D800 just fine, it being the only machine I use
Having said that, I've never really found the 64MB GFG4200 lacking in anything yet...
As far as heat goes - I believe it was Anandtech that said the 128MB Mobility 9600 Pro Turbo should run cooler than the GFG4200 in theory...but that's something I will post as soon as I get the swap done.
MadMax5
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February 13th, 2004 06:00
Hi there,
I've upgraded my Gf4 4200go in my Inspiron 8500 to a Radeon 9600 pro turbo.. But now I have a big heat issue.
The GPU heats up to 95°C and then the Notebook shuts down.
I have already downloaded a Fan controlling Programm so that the GPU Fan always runs at max. Even this doesn't work.
I thought the cooling solutions in the Inspiron 8500 and 8600 are the same??
(Sorry, my english is not that good)
C ya.
sakor1
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February 13th, 2004 07:00
Yep, the problem is with the BIOS heat cutoff point..... which is lower in the i8500 than in the i8600, meaning the laptop will shut-off at a lower temperature than the i8600 will endure.
I suggest that you add some thermal compound (such as antec silver) to the heat sink on the 9600pro so that heat absorbence is more effective... and also add some to the CPU heaksink to lower the bleed through temp. Hopefully a bit of that on both the GPU and CPU will lower temps enough to make it useable.
Thats the best we can hope for until Dell offer a newer BIOS that increases this shutoff point (if they do)... or until someone ca hack the BIOS (don't even know if thats possible).
Thanks for the info though!
stu
Message Edited by sakor1 on 02-13-2004 03:26 AM
Message Edited by sakor1 on 02-13-2004 03:27 AM
MadMax5
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February 13th, 2004 11:00
Hi there,
I fixed my heat problem with the mobility radeon 9600. I removed the original Heatpads on the die, and used a 1.5mm copper plate instead. A little bit hatsink compound from arctic cooling and now the GPU doesn't get hotter than 75°C.
percman24601
117 Posts
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February 13th, 2004 16:00
I was finally able to get someone at Dell Spare Parts to take my order for an ATI 9600 with a delivery date of 2/19/04. I was wondering if you could give me some more detail on how you modified your card to run cool enough for your I8500.
Also, what are the specs of your I8500? I have the 2.2GHz so I'm hoping that heat won't be as much of an issue. My CPU right now is at 39 after about 7 hours of use.
Thanks for any help you can give me.