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February 12th, 2008 21:00

XPS M1530 or MacBook Pro?

Hello, I currently own a Dell DT P4 and am going to be buying my very first laptop next week. I wanted to get an opinion from this site. I have already been on the Mac forums. I know that either one will be somewhat biased but I am trying hard to make an informed decision so I value opinions from users of each type of Laptop. these are the two models I am considering. The Mac is refurbished but it has the same warranty as a new one. Also I have already gotten enough opinions to decide that there is nothing wrong with getting a refurb Mac as it is probably as good as a new one since they test it and build it back to factory stats. The only real difference is it does not come in the fancy Apple packaging.

 

Here are the models I am deciding between

 XPS M1530 (PRODUCT) RED
Date & Time: February 12,2008 7:42 AM CST 
  
   SYSTEM COMPONENTS
   XPS M1530 (PRODUCT) RED  Qty     1   
  Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7250 (2MB cache/2.0GHz/800Mhz FSB), Genuine Windows Vista® Ultimate (PRODUCT) RED Unit Price    $1,643.00   
 Required for Blu-ray drive
Expires Saturday, August 23, 2008     
     
 
Catalog Number:   29 DYCWHR1 
 Module   Description  Show Details
Bases XPS M1530 (product) RED Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7250 (2MB cache/2.0GHz/800Mhz FSB)
Operating System Genuine Windows Vista® Ultimate (PRODUCT) RED
System Color (PRODUCT) RED
Memory 2GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz (2 Dimms)
LCD & Camera High Resolution, glossy widescreen 15.4inch LCD (1440x900) & 2.0 MP
Video Card 128MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8400M GS
Hard Drive Size: 160GB 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive
Software - Adobe Adobe® Acrobat® Reader 8.1
Optical Drive Slot Load DVD+/-RW (DVD/CD read/write)
Sound Card Integrated Sound Blaster Audigy HD Software Edition
Wireless Network Card Dell Wireless 1490 802.11a/g Mini Card
Office Productivity Software (Pre-Installed) Microsoft® Office Home and Student 2007 - Word, Excel + PowerPoint
Anti-Virus/Security Suite (Pre-Installed) Trend Micro Internet Security 15-months
Primary Battery 56 WHr 6-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery
Hardware Support Services 1Yr In-Home Service, Parts Labor,24x7 Phone Support
CompleteCare Accidental Damage Service 1Yr LoJack for Laptops Theft Protection (CD Shipped Separately)
Dial up Internet Access No ISP requested
Digital Media Edting Software Adobe Photoshop Elements + Adobe Premiere Elements
Bluetooth and Wireless USB Dell Wireless 355 Bluetooth Internal (2.0+Enhanced Data Rate)
Environmental Options Free Recycling Kit
Processor Branding Intel Core 2 Duo Processor
Labels Windows Vista™ Premium
Datasafe Included 10GB DataSafe Online Backup for 1Year
 
 ACCESSORIES
 Logitech V220 Wireless Mouse - Ruby Red  Qty     1   
  Dell Part# A1201636 Unit Price    $30.00   
  Manufacturer Part# 910-000554        
  Dell Part# A1201636        
 
Sub total:$1,673.00 

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Model Refurbished MacBook Pro $1,699
Processor 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
Memory 2GB (two SO-DIMMs) 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM (PC2-5300)
Display 15.4-inch (diagonal), 1440 x 900 resolution, TFT widescreen
PCI Express Graphics NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT with 128MB of GDDR3 SDRAM and dual-link DVI
Video Built-in iSight Camera, DVI, VGA (DVI to VGA adapter included)
Audio Combined optical digital input/audio line in, combined optical digital output/headphone out, stereo speakers, microphone
Hard disk drive 120GB Serial ATA; 5400 rpm
Slot-loading optical drive 8x SuperDrive (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Ethernet Built-in 10/100/1000BASE-T (Gigabit)
Wireless Built-in AirPort Extreme (802.11n); built-in Bluetooth 2.0+EDR
Modem Apple USB Modem (sold separately)
Input Apple Remote; full-size, illuminated keyboard with ambient light sensor; scrolling Trackpad
Expansion One FireWire 400, one FireWire 800,two USB 2.0 ports, and ExpressCard/34 slot
Weight 5.4 pounds (2.45 kg) with battery and optical drive installed
Footprint 14.1 x 9.6 inches
Thickness 1.0 inch (2.59 cm)
Video accessories DVI to VGA adapter included (other adapters sold separately)
Hardware accessories 85W MagSafe Power Adapter, AC wall plug, power cord, lithium-polymer battery

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February 13th, 2008 06:00

I hope you realized that you're in a fairly biased forum board. I ordered my XPS 1530 last Thursday off the Dell Outlet. It was a steal at $1239.00. I would get the 1530 over the Apple.

 

I got the following specs-

T7700 2.4

3 GB DDR2

8600 GT 256

250 GB Hard Drive

Travel Remote

9 Cell Battery

WSXGA+

$1239.00

 

 

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February 13th, 2008 10:00

I have both I have a MBP that I got a year agao and I just got a refurb M1530. They are both similar in hardware and weight. The MBP is a little bit lighter and thinner. My MBP has the C2D 2.16 processor and 2 GB of ram. My M1530 has a 2.4 prcessor and 3Gb of ram. The Dell out performs the Apple  hands down. IT also has a better video card and I can upgrade my Dell with another video card or a faster processor in the future as Dell has made the M1530 so you can upgrade it by dropping another processor in it if you want to even replacing the video card. BUT Apple sodders(sp) all of their processors and vidoe card onto the motherboard so you cannot upgrade anything. Apple wants you to buy another laptop instaed of upgrading what you have. The hardware under the hood and almost the same between the Dell and Apple so it really comes down to the operating system. Di you like Mac OSX or a Windows based Vista or XP? It really what your preference and experience is and what you are comfortable with........

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February 13th, 2008 11:00

Both machines will perform well.  The graphics card in the MacBook is nice.

But you really need to look at it, not from performance or power point of view, but from usage and applications...

 

Have you used MacOS before?  If not I'd try it before purchase... Not everyone loves it the same way Mac fans do.  In my opinion it's no easier/better in terms of usability than Vista or XP really.

 

What apps do you use? Are there any unique to Mac or PC?  You could install BootCamp on the Mac to use PC software, games etc - but you need to factor in the cost of getting hold of XP to install, and it raises the question why bother buying a Mac just to use PC software!!

 

Battery life... Not sure about this one, but if it's important to you then you need to look in to which is better.

 

Future Proofing... Although there's no such thing really :) However as previous poster mentioned, Apple lock you in to a specific spec whereas the Dell's have a little wiggle room for later upgrades.  This may be more cost effective if you want to get the most life out of the thing.

 

I went through a similar situation as you when deciding between an XPS1330 and a MacBook.  In the end the only thing pushing me towards the Mac was the novelty factor - I've never owned a Mac before but quite like MacOs - but that wasn't compelling enough reason to buy.  In the end I went for the 1330, hopefully it'll be arriving soon!! :)

 

79 Posts

February 13th, 2008 12:00

It's all about personal experiance.  If you feel that the Macbook will present more software that is usuable to you, go with it. 

 

If you feel the XPS presents more to you, go with it.

 

Don't base your judgement on something like technical issues, Vista is going to have issues, Mac is going to have issues.  The %'s are around the same, just the numbers are much higher with Windows because there are many more windows users.  I myself pick Windows over Mac over sheer compatibility and my personal know-how that goes along with technical support(Never tried mac support, Ipod support was horrible however)

 

Eitherway Dell will more then likely give you a better deal on the same or greater hardware.

 

On a sidenote, i'd recommend you post On macs forums to see what they would suggest also.  The Dell forums are more likely to represent dells because we obviously picked dell for a reason.

Message Edited by Danthegreat1 on 02-13-2008 07:39 AM

204 Posts

February 13th, 2008 13:00

Thanks to you all for your advice. Yes, I realize these will be biased forums. I have already posted on the Mac forums and of course they say go with the Macbook Pro. One of the reasons for considering Mac, is the design itself and the fact that they are less prone to viruses. I di believe that is fact from everything I have ever read or heard. But other than that I could easily choose Dell as I am already a Dell user. I think, though money/value wise I have made a decision to purchase a loaded XPS M1530 from Dell Outlet. I just hope I won't be kicking myself for this decision on down the road. I will upg the warranty to the 3 year complete. Do you think my going through the outlet for this model is a good idea? Will I be completely satisfied? Thanks.

204 Posts

February 13th, 2008 13:00

Is this a good choice? Is it a good configuration? Should I go cheaper? I mainly websurf, mail, listen to music and watch stuff on you tube, my kids and I also do homework. My kids do some gaming. Probably the most gaming would be runescape. Please give me your opinion on this refurbished. Thanks. I added 3 yr warranty and complete care, a wireless mouse, Dell on call 30 days and Norton bringing the total with tax and inclu shipping to $1,644.29

 

 

XPS M1530 (System Identifier: ZB2KYA63)

  • XPS M1530 Laptop: Intel Core 2 Duo Processor T7500 (2.2GHz/800Mhz FSB, 4MB Cache)
  • Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium
System Price : $1,109.00

Operating System
Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium
Memory
3 GB DDR2 SDRAM 667MHz (2 DIMMs)
Hard Disk Drive
160 GB SATA Hard Drive (7200RPM)
Video
256MB NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT
Certified Refurbished
Certified Refurbished
Base
XPS M1530 Laptop: Intel Core 2 Duo Processor T7500 (2.2GHz/800Mhz FSB, 4MB Cache)
Media Bay
8X DVD +/- RW w/dbl layer write capability
Software Upgrade
Microsoft Works 8.5 with MS Office Trial Version Software
Sound Blaster Audigy ADVANCED HD Audio Software Edition
Network Interface Card
Intel 4965 802.11a/g/n Dual-Band Mini Card
Hardware Upgrade
90W Additional AC Adapter
6 Cell Primary Battery
Dell Travel Remote Control
Integrated 2.0 Mega Pixel Web Camera
90W AC Adapter
System Color
Crimson Red
Bluetooth Wireless
Bluetooth Wireless Card 355
Laptop Screen
15.4 inch WXGA Laptop Screen
Message Edited by nucleusgirl on 02-13-2008 09:51 AM

79 Posts

February 13th, 2008 14:00

The gaming comment I made is because most people think they can play very high graphic games as in Crysis UT3 ect.  These are VERY high graphic games, It depends on the games you're playing.  runescape should play fine.  It's not one of the newest high resolution games. 

 

So basically.  You can play games, you can play them Pretty well.  Just don't expect because it's labled XPS that you're going to be able to play the newest and greatest and High settings. 

 

I don't completely agree with the Virus remark.  It's pretty easy to get a nasty virus, or even a worm for that matter.  Even with an antivirus i've gotten them in the passed.  And have had to fix several computers for parents and relatives.  All in all i'd recommend formatting every 3-6months for peak performance.

79 Posts

February 13th, 2008 14:00


@nucleusgirl wrote:

Thanks so much you guys, I am getting very excited and know I need to order this right away else it might be gone. But a couple more questions? I have a dell desktop and RR but no router. Should I get the router through dell? What type do you recommend? Also I do not know anything about how to reformat a disc. I do not know how to back up my data or what is needed to do it? Do you back it up onto  cd rom? Thanks so much.


1.  It doesn't really matter if you buy it through dell or not, you'd probably save money if you baught it from a 3rd party electronic store, or if you buy it online you'd save a bundle.  Buying from Dell has the pro of being able to use your Dell card.

 

2.  I'd recommend a Linksys.  Easy to setup, easy to use.  If you want the highest speed you can possibly get; Get an N router, you'll pay more but if you pay for the upgraded wireless card in the notebook you'll be able to get some better speeds. 

 

3.  Formatting in Vista is VERY simple, there's a image restore tool you use provided by Dell, I can email you steps on how to do it if you'd like, or you can contact chat support. 

 

4.  Backing up; Get an External harddrive, they are pretty cheap around 100$ for 250-500GB drive doesn't really matter the brand.  (maxtor is what most people suggest)

 

5.  No need for CD backups anymore.

 

204 Posts

February 13th, 2008 14:00

Thanks so much you guys, I am getting very excited and know I need to order this right away else it might be gone. But a couple more questions? I have a dell desktop and RR but no router. Should I get the router through dell? What type do you recommend? Also I do not know anything about how to reformat a disc. I do not know how to back up my data or what is needed to do it? Do you back it up onto  cd rom? Thanks so much.

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February 13th, 2008 14:00

There's an old adage when buying computers... Always spend as much as you can afford. :)

 

For your needs that spec may be a little high, but the price is good and you'll have a laptop which will last a very long time.  The 3yr warranty is a good idea on a refurb .

 

Going back to the earlier comment about viruses on Macs - you are right, there's less chance of getting something really nasty.

 

However, millions of people use PC's on a daily basis, and with common sense (not installing unknown software, agreeing to sneaky pop-ups or surfing dodgy websites etc) and a good security product there's no reason why you should ever encounter a really nasty virus.

 

 

79 Posts

February 13th, 2008 14:00

Looks like a decent system.  It's pretty suped up, and you're getting a great deal.  I myself only buy dell refurbs also, just because of Dells awesome warranty.

 

You're system can handle just about all of the small things that a portable should do.  Basically everything you listed, playing games is kind of difficult depending on how old the game is.  But it's pretty clear this portable is purely for the usual things.  That's the reason I'd get a dell of course, you're not spending out of other holes in your body to pay for it.  Viruses Yes, I'll completely agree Macs viruses are quiet a bit easy to get out and are FAR less common.  However.  If you backup your data frequently you won't mind formatting your machine every 3-6 months to keep top performance. 

 

And you will have that nice fat 3 year warranty protecting your system.  I will FULLY suggest Complete care especially if you have kids.

204 Posts

February 13th, 2008 14:00

oops thought of another question, I am not really sure what type of display is on this model, what resolution, glossy or matte. I don't think it says in the description. anyone know how I can find out for sure? thanks again.

204 Posts

February 13th, 2008 14:00

Hi Dan

Thanks for your reply. I am a bit confused though. I thought this system was pretty good for gaming? Thanks.

79 Posts

February 13th, 2008 15:00

Wireless Network Card Dell Wireless 1490 802.11a/g Mini Card

 

That's not an N complaint card.  However, if this is the machine you want you will not see a huge decrease in performance through a G unless you're doing something that requires a steady packet flow, in which you'd want to be on a wired connection also

 

For the router, just get a regular G wireless router, Dell will even help you set it up if you call in or chat in with them.

204 Posts

February 13th, 2008 15:00

do I have the upgraded wireless card for that router or do I need to change that? but can I change it on this refurb model? Thanks for being so helpful.

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