How downgrading BT360 to XP on D630 ???

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Same Problem Is Begin on  D620 And Fixed    'Vista BLUETOOTH License Expires after 30 days in XP ' - on this link - http://www.dellcommunity.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=si_wireless&thread.id=35439     the Latitude D630 come with Windows Vista Business i need to downgrade to Windows XP PRO     help...... ?! Message Edited by pcenter on 07-29-2007 03:20 PM

ijor · Answer

I am having the same problem, and it seems there is no simple solution. In my case it is not exactly  a downgrade, but dual-booting XP and Vista.   The problem with the BT-360 is, that unlike the older 350 module, is not supported by the native Microsoft drivers. Microsoft drivers don't even the detect the 360 as a Bluetooth module. So the solution provided by Dell for the 350, doesn't apply for the 360.   One possible solution is to replace the module with the XP version. The XP version comes with the Toshiba license key stored. And then the Toshiba drivers won't expire after 30 days.   There is another thing that *might* work, and I might try that myself. I suspect (but I'm not sure) that Microsoft XP drivers should work with the 360. The problem is that they don't detect it as a BT module. Then, all that should be needed is to add the hardware ID for the 360 in the XP in-box 'bth.inf' file.   But note that even if that procedure works, you would get only limited functionality under XP. The more adavanced features need the Toshiba driver stack. And Toshiba drivers require the license key.

pcenter · Answer

i Find Easy & Perfect solution to work on microsoft XP drivers   mini software with install & uninstall :smileyhappy:    'Additional Bluetooth Drivers for Microsoft Bluetoo' - 437 k link to Download page http://www.vinsvision.com/Downloads/tabid/57/Default.aspx     Good luck :smileytongue:

ijor · Answer

Hi Bill,   Check my post above for an explanation of the issue. Microsoft XP built-in drivers work (or at least it seems so) with the BT360. The problem is that it doesn't detect it as a 'known' bt device, because its hardware ID is not listed in the INF file. So just adding the new hardware id to the INF file solves the problem.   The link posted above is an overkill solution. It is for cases when you need a *silent* install, such as in enterprise. Most people here would find easier just to use the 'patched' INF file.   Btw Bill, would be possible to get some answers about the BT360 from Dell? One thing that I still couldn't find down and understand, is what happens in the opposite direction. That is, what happens if you want to 'upgrade' a BT360 module from XP to Vista. I suppose it should work, with the only requirement of a firmware upgrade. But Dell technical supports claims it is not possible.   A more complicated situation, which again I couldn't get an answer from Dell, is if it is possible and how to dual/boot XP/Vista using a BT360.

ijor · Answer

The file that needs to be edited/patched is: \WINDOWS\inf\bth.inf

Login as administrator, make a backup of that file. Either to a different name (say, bth_inf.bak), or to a different directory.

Edit the file with notepad or your favorite editor. Search for the line that contains "Dell Wireless 350 Bluetooth". Copy it to a new line. Edit the new line so that you get the following:

Dell Wireless 350 Bluetooth Module= BthUsb, USB\VID_413C&PID_8103
Dell Wireless 360 Bluetooth Module= BthUsb, USB\VID_413C&PID_8140

The second line is the one we added. The only changes are "350" for "360", and the PID value (8103 for 8140).

Save the modified version of BTH.INF. Disable and re-enable the BT device, or just reboot. The Microsoft driver and stack should now install.

Be aware that the limitations and problems mentioned in other threads about the 350 (and 355) module also applies here.

Bill, feel free to edit the post at willing.

ijor · Answer

Many thanks Bill (and whoever team member answered) for the quick reply.   Yes, I suspected an XP to Vista upgrade shouldn't be a problem. Too bad technical support claimed otherwise (and it's a long story that I will avoid here).   Interesting regarding the dual boot. I actually made the wrong question, but I got the right answer :)   I knew it is possible because that's what I am doing actually now. What I wanted to know if it was possible to dual boot with the XP version of the 360 module, using Toshiba's stack (and not just Microsoft's one as I'm doing now) under XP. So the answer seems to be yes, except that there might be a small firmware conflict with the Dell driver (it is not really a driver, just extra profiles) for Vista. You then get either limited functionality in XP (using Microsoft's stack), or either limited functionality in Vista. Or you either must reflash the firmware every time you boot to a different OS.

pcenter · Answer

My solution is a very easy to any level of customer (i think)

Latitude D x30 / Dell Wireless 360 Bluetooth Module

step 1 : if - the customer buy from dell laptop with license vista ! and after the customer install XP .

step 2 : after you install the original bluetooth driver from dell site or "Dell Resource CD" .

you probably get this screen message when your mouse touch the bluetooth icon on taskbar

if you get this message - uninstall the original bluetooth driver and continue .

step 3 : download the file from this link and install - http://www.fileflyer.com/view/zwp1MCk

or ( http://www.speedyshare.com/391962756.html meybe break )

or from this original page - http://www.vinsvision.com/Downloads/tabid/57/Default.aspx .

step 4: the bluetooth is work now on Microsoft XP Driver .

Look This Table: the different of Toshiba driver & Microsoft driver

i hope i write clear on english . :smileysurprised:

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bp_22ca · Answer

Hi all, I feel like a bit of an idiot here but for some reason this issue seems to be a confusing one. Due to so many different modules 350/355/360 available I'm a little confused what my next step should be.

I bought a Latitude D830 with Vista Ultimate and a BT360 module, I have downgraded it to XP Pro. It came up with the unknown hardware found, At this pt. after reading multiple posts as I was aware before downgrading that this would be an issue, I assumed the radio must be on. I installed the driver for XP, now I have the 30 day trial issue, what is my best recourse at this pt? Should I modify the driver .inf for the BT350 as suggested?

Thanks in advance,
Bryan

ijor · Answer

In the first place uninstall the Toshiba drivers (the XP drivers provided by Dell). You can't use them with your version of the BT module.   Then yes, modify the INF file adding the id for the 360 as described in my previous post.   Note that it is possible that when you installed Toshiba drivers that the INF file was already modified. Check if there is a BTH.BAK file. If so, that should be the original one, and that is the one that you should modify and save it as BTH.INF.   If you are not confident with this, then you can try the link posted above that includes an installer program.

bp_22ca · Answer

Well just wanted you all to know that I tried patching the .inf but it didn't work, probably because as you mentioned it was modified by my installing the Dell BT360 driver for XP(They should just take it off the list) Anyways, I followed pcenter's solution and no more trial, I just have to see if it works when I get to work. Thanks, everyone

Jaartee · Answer

I had the same problems with my D830 -- My bluetooth card 360BT has become inoperable and I

requested a new one.

I right-clicked on the bluetooth icon in the system tray and selected 'turn off bluetooth radio'. The bluetooth indicator light in the right hinge went out.

That next day, I attempted to right-click on the icon to turn the bluetooth radio back on. However,

the right-click did not work. All I got was the 'hover-over' menu.

In Device manager, I disabled and re-enabled the bluetooth devices. Then I did it again, rebooting

between the disable and enable. The radio light did not come on.

Note: The radio light comes on briefly at startup with the rest of the LEDs, indicating light operation.

I then deinstalled the device in the device manager, rebooted, and reinstalled the device. The radio

light did not come on.

During all this, neither my bluetooth PDA nor my headphones would 'see' the computer, and would not connect. The computer would not see them, either.

I went into the BIOS and confirmed the Bluetooth was on . . . several times.

Finally, I downloaded the service manual. I removed the hinge cover, and removed and reseated the card.

This time, Windows cannot 'see' the device in device manager, and the freshly-downloaded driver set from Dell reports there is no bluetooth card installed.

FCC ID PIWW 360BT
PN JPO98 Rev A00

OS Name Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Ultimate
Version 6.0.6000 Build 6000

System Manufacturer Dell Inc.
System Model Latitude D830
System Type X86-based PC
BIOS Version/Date Dell Inc. A04, 8/8/2007
Total Physical Memory 3,573.31 MB

Dell Wireless 360 Bluetooth Module is turned on in the BIOS

slicke · Answer

Has anybody found a solution to re-enable the Toshiba Bluetooth drivers for Dell Bluetooth 360 module on XP after downgrading from Vista ? (Assuming the problem in mind is the Licence Expired issue.)

Jaartee · Answer

The Bluetooth card had NOT failed, after all.   While I was on hold for another HOUR with the Dell support, I started rolling back my restore points.  Once I restore to a point about five days before I turned off the bluetooth radio, the radio came on and I now have the option in the list to turn it off.   Not that I will.   Either this is a flaw in the control software, or an update flaw, I do not know.

WonderingAloud · Answer

All;

I read with interest the post on editing the bth.inf and thought I'd add the BT 355 ID info to round out the set.

[Dell.NT.5.1]
Dell TrueMobile Bluetooth Module=                BthUsb, USB\VID_413C&PID_8000
Dell Wireless 350 Bluetooth Module=              BthUsb, USB\VID_413C&PID_8103
Dell Wireless 355 Bluetooth Module=              BthUsb, USB\Vid_413c&Pid_8126
Dell Wireless 360 Bluetooth Module=              BthUsb, USB\VID_413C&PID_8140

I'm using the 355 now and downloaded the drivers today (from Dell) for the 360 I just ordered this afternoon (Weird, they have it listed for sale as intended for the Mobile Precision WS 4300, but the driver "compatibility list" says it works on a bunch of machines including my D620) $19.99. Not bad.

I was hoping I could get 2.1 drivers for it. Is that what the Toshiba stack is? 2.1?

I'll investigate the Toshiba stack from the link above shortly.

Thanks to all for sharing!

D620, T7600, NV110, 2GB, 80GB@72K, XPSP2

WA

Mariusi · Answer

I have the same issue with BT360 and D630: - downgrade to XP, Bluetooth adapter doesn't even show up in the unknown hardware list. I have about 4 or 5 USB Hubs without drivers in the Device Manager list though, not sure why they weren't recognized   Steps taken to solve, without any success: - installed all drivers from the product page for Win XP - installed newest chipset drivers from Intel site - tried all the solutions from this thread (.inf file hack, Dell and Toshiba BT stacks, plus a couple 3rd party - Broadcomm and Blue Soleil) - disable/re-enable BT from BIOS and the hardware switch   At the same time, the diagnostics utility from the Dell CD reports that the BT device was tested and working properly. As a side matter, the fingerprint reader shows exactly the same behavior   Any suggestions as to how to enable the darn thing ?

ll Jobu ll · Answer

I'm having some issues with my BT360 that may be similar to this.

I have a new Precision M4300 with XP (ordered with XP, I did not downgrade it) and am having trouble connecting BT devices.

I've read general suggestions about modifying the BT settings, however, the bluetooth applet does not appear in the control panel and I cannot get to the settings. Also, BT services are not listed in Computer Management | Services. (The Bluetooth icon is appearing in my system tray.)

I tried adding the BT360 line to the bth.inf file per instructions in this thread, but that did not seem to help (the applet is still missing). I un-installed and re-installed the driver but that didn't help.

EDIT: PROBLEM SOLVED

In addition to the bth.inf file changes, I unistalled the Toshiba Stacker and let Windows install the default BT software. That solved the applet issue and so far has resolved the connection issues I was having.

So, this might be an issue for any BT360 running on XP (regardless of downgrade or not).

Message Edited by ll Jobu ll on 11-14-2007 01:27 PM

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